I still self host my TS3 for my nerd herd, and as an EvE online player (currently trying to win, but thats hard), you have to be fluent in all voip solutions as they all have different requirments and say a lot about your group.
Discord - small group, utilizing free services, may have an auth tool, used to keep in contact with people from old groups. Remember kids, if the product is free, you are the product
TS3 - mid-sized group (100-1000 players) requires a real IT team, will have an authentication system and generally will have their shit together. Ease of set up is handy, but admin user accounts can break servers.
Mumble - Welcome to the big leagues. (1K+ players) The resources you require now require resources in meat-space and are rather substantial. You need real IT security and people on a payroll. It will drive your admins nuts for about a week setting everything up, but once its done, you wont have to touch it again.
There is a difference between having it turn on and hardening it against DDOS attacks while haveing 500 nerds try to use it as coms for massive videogame fights (this has happened, its against the games rules, but it has happened). If you can do that in a day, please empart your wisdom.
My friends and I still use TS3. The audio quality and voice activation is better than Discord's, and the desktop app doesn't take ten fucking gigabytes of RAM to run.
Lol wut, they never claimed servers were independently controlled. Maybe you just didn't look into what you were signing up for.
When you go use different servers on Minecraft realms are you under any impression those are not controlled by Microsoft?
When you choose a different server on World of Warcraft do you think it's a non-blizzard server?...
Like just because you put yourself into a state of bad false assumptions didn't mean they tried to trick you. People have been saying this about discord from the beginning you just never cared to look.
Did you actually think this or are you just inventing a person in your mind that this has happened to? Lol
Umm.. People have been using the phrase "Direct message (DM) me" since forever in the game and online comms world. Private message wasn't a concept until after DMs were later encrypted. And we always knew, that if we didn't control the servers, even encrypted, those messages were subject the server operators.
Your logic is giving me the impression that you're younger and didn't go through these experiences.
Neither have I. Generally if I want the impression of it being private, it will need to be encrypted and a whole skew of other criteria comes in. Still doesn't change the fact that growing up they were referred to as "PM's" for the first half of my life.
Not everything has to be foss, it is in company's best interest to not make it as malware. In last 20 years that I have had TS installed on my server and client, have I had it act like malware. Discord in the other hand has instantly caused issues. Not saying that TS3 doesn't have had bugs, ofc it has had.
I may not read the source code of every tool I use, but even if the average user doesn't read the source code, having it available for inspection by others in the community increases security, trust, and overall software quality. All a user really has to do is look at the license of the software they use, typically a GPL or similar license, and consider how reputable it is. Not only that, but if you're on Linux already, you can just get most of the software from your distro's repositories.
No, you should have the freedom to use it if you want. All I'm saying is that you can't really call TeamSpeak a better alternative, when they're both just as bad (they're both proprietary). If you're looking for a better alternative, consider using Mumble, it's FOSS.
i dont think the software is "dead dead" but i think it's dead from the aspect that it seems to be stagnant, which to be clear, isn't a bad thing. It just feels a little bit like it's still 2012 everytime you open mumble.
It's a tad bit disappointing, considering i love it so much. But i don't think anything else will properly replace it.
What do you mean? Genuine question, I'm loosely familiar with the the issues with Discord having it's growing issues with data and advertising but I assumed Nitro was the worst element.
Mumble is like a reliable Toyota Corolla. You will turn no heads, but it has all the features you would need for the task (encryption, room hierachies, ACL, machine-learning-enhanced noise canceling, positional audio, choice of method input like push-to-talk, mini UI overlay atop games), and does them efficiently.
…And like a Toyota Corolla, there’s probably a decent upgrade out there, but you might be compromising on more than you think. Want a car without the manufacturer tracking you or bloated, touch-screen navigation? Many ‘modern’ VoIP options, especially proprietary ones, are literally doing the latter.
Discord enshittification is well under way, just this week I have started seeing ads in the client just above the voice channel status in the bottom left. Cancelled my Nitro immediately, no point if they are going to shove ads in my face anyway.
Currently looking at alternatives, Revolt looks promising, and can be self hosted.
Bullshit. Pics or it didn't happen. You might have seen a quest, where if you stream a specific game to your friends you get a free in-game item, but these are not advertisements.
Additionally, you can click on it and tell it to never show you any more quests.
Either that or you're bitching about discord telling you that it has added more voice channel mini games.
You might have seen a quest, where if you stream a specific game to your friends you get a free in-game item, but these are not advertisements.
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Advertising is the practice and techniques employed to bring attention to a product or service. Advertising aims to put a product or service in the spotlight in hopes of drawing it attention from consumers
I have no interest in streaming "quested" games, and whatever deal Discord has done with the developer to encourage users to engage with such games (and by extension the game's microtransaction economy), and regardless of what they call it, is by definition an advertisement. If you can't see that, then you are an ad campaign exec's wet dream. Either that, or a troll.
Schildi Chat is probably the best client I have spotted, full voice and video chat functionality in browser. People do way less hemming and hawing about downloading an app if they've already been able to try it out in web - just like discord
The absolute largest group of players in any game stuck with Mumble. That would be The Goonswarm Federation in EvE Online. We have just over 25,000 people, and well over 100,000 characters in the Alliance. In fact, AFAIK, all of the major alliances have to use Mumble because it allows more than 100 people in a room
Don't you have to host Mumble somewhere? With Discord anyone can create a server and invite friends for free with no technical knowledge required. That's a huge plus. I also remember RadCall was a thing for a while, at least where I am from.
Yes, you need to run the service somewhere. But anyone can do so (Foss).
With discord my experience is limited but I currently understand it's a service model so you're dependant on a company, which can pull the same sh*t teamspeak did at any time.
Not needing any technical knowledge just means someone else is running it, possibly being able to lock you in. And in the case of discord, you already are locked in and have to accept whatever they think up.
I don't think that people are trying to find an eternal solution. Nothing lasts forever. When Discord turns to shit, something else will take its place. There is no need to worry about that when it offers too many advantages today.
The real question is: How in the world did Ventrillo continue to exist after TeamSpeak came along?
Vent was an object lesson in hostile UX. It sounded like shit, changing any kind of setting (even basic things like individual volumes) was a a gymnastics routine, and mics constantly clipped despite settings.
Unpopular opinion, ventrilo was better than team speak. It didn’t sound like crap especially when you had good server codecs and it was extremely easy to use and lightweight.
I don't think that's unpopular at all, I only ever used vent in highschool and uni, some of the groups I ran with even went back to vent from TS becauae of the sound quality. It was simple and easy to use and pretty much everyone had it.
nah I'll just continue to mod my client until the death of it. If discord ever decides to ban mods, then most likely yeah I'll move. Default discord is so fucking bloated and unusable.
As long as you're on discord, privacy is just not a thing. However, there was this 1 plugin i really liked, called File Name Randomizer or something along those lines. It would just rename any image you upload to the platform to someone generic. Other than that, there's the disabled telemetry that some clients come with, but that's the extent of what I know.
We use it for additional comms in foxhole, can't be in multiple channels at once and we've got about 8 groups that need to communicate between each other
Yeah that's what we do, whisper lists for everyone who needs to do inter-section Comms. Everyone else is just in the discord channels. It's not perfect but it's worked for years now
