mattgrayyes , Englisch
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The American road system baffles me for many reasons. The main one being:

🔴 Traffic light red:
You can turn right.
There will be no pedestrians crossing. You have right of way.

🟢 Traffic light green:
You can turn right.
There will be pedestrians crossing in front of you. You do not have right of way.

madjo ,
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@mattgrayyes If you’re interested in more about this subject, look up Strong Towns, City Beautiful and Not Just Bikes on the YouTubes.

mattgrayyes OP ,
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I’m getting confused replies.
In the UK red means stop, green means go, no exceptions.

UK Pedestrian crossings are only green when it is safe to cross because no traffic is even attempting to drive in your direction.

In most of America that I’ve visited, all 4-way intersections have the pedestrian phase at the same time and same direction as the vehicular traffic. This means when you cross, turning traffic can be attempting to drive down the road you’re crossing.

18+ WizardOfDocs ,
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@mattgrayyes yup

forget baseball, Frogger is the national pastime

BafDyce ,
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@mattgrayyes I think in America the concept of "pedestrian safety" does not exist.

mattgrayyes OP ,
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As a driver in America this means that turning left/right on green means there could be pedestrians directed to cross the road, wonderfully obscured by your car’s frame.

In most of America that I’ve driven except NYC and Washington DC IIRC, you are allowed to drive right if the traffic light is red, if there are no cars coming.There may be pedestrians crossing in front where easily visible but they’re not being told to cross around the corner where they’re not visible.

mattgrayyes OP ,
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And don’t get me started on seven lane high streets

North ,
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@mattgrayyes America loves a stroad

csstrowbridge ,
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@mattgrayyes

And we know these massive streets don't work. We've known about this for decades, but Americans (and sadly Canadians) would rather build more roads and roads with more lanes than have more public transit.

chloeraccoon ,
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@mattgrayyes Surely to start on a 7 lane high street you turn on the ignition like starting anywhere else? runs!

mattgrayyes OP ,
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These days there are very few things I believe the UK does well, but road safety is one of them.

Pedestrians have right of way over all else. Eg. Drivers should stop if there is a pedestrian waiting to cross.

All other road users have right of way over those bigger than them.

Doesn’t always work like that in practice especially in bigger cities where there are more bellends. And London specifically where I suspect there are more drivers who learned abroad. But still.

chloeraccoon ,
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@mattgrayyes I tend to find traffic in London is "better" then where I live, but I suspect it's more down to the traffic moving a little slower on average then driver actions.

18+ monkeyspawdom ,
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@mattgrayyes I believe that is the law in the U.S. as well, at least most states. The problem is that almost no one actually follows it

mattgrayyes OP ,
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Today I saw a bidirectional cycle lane in a central reservation with no protection and at least two lanes of traffic on either side.

mattgrayyes OP ,
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Oh god I’ve started. Don’t put a public transit and cycling infrastructure enthusiast in the city known for its design for cars over everything else.

Here, have all the things I can think of that I like about American road infrastructure:

Road names are almost always clearly signed at every junction.

mattgrayyes OP ,
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Sorry I’m grumpy because I’ve got a hurty tummy and nearly got hit by a car while crossing the road when the light told me to cross.

wilbr ,
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@mattgrayyes ooh ooh ooh

If you like LOTS OF LANES and a consistent motorway system that spans a huge continent then you've come to the right place

If you want to not die, I'm sorry but America is the wrong place

litchralee ,
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@mattgrayyes Next door in Nevada (and Utah, I think?), their custom is to attach a road name sign to a bridge or viaduct if it is flying overhead, even if there's no junction from one road to another. Also apparently applies for trail systems, which often cross underneath highways.

I enjoy navigating via landmarks and natural features -- aviation people call it pilotage? -- so identifying roads overhead when on foot is fun for me.

coldclimate ,
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@mattgrayyes that sounds horrifying

Alister ,
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@mattgrayyes "... and even when we put all those cycle lanes in, no one uses them".

justNickoli ,
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@mattgrayyes I don't even think we do road safety well - it's just that most of the world is even worse. America is wierd because it's so over-designed and heavily regulated but with dangerous design built in. It feels deliberately dangerous where other places just seem to have not tried.

nowster ,
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@mattgrayyes The squishability hierarchy in the UK Highway Code (the H clauses) introduced a couple of years ago were not well communicated to road users.

In the UK, only Northern Ireland has a jaywalking law, IIRC.

wilbr ,
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@mattgrayyes this is a huge issue and seems to be an even bigger issue in walkable areas / my current area. It would even be fine if the pedestrian signal was advanced by a few seconds so they had a head start before the cars were told to start, but it happens at the same time and so yes at many intersections they're literally hidden behind my A-pillar until I'm exposed as an asshole driver. I have to physically lean my head left and right to check that blind spot when downtown and I'm scared

tarmil ,
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@mattgrayyes France and most European places I've visited are kinda in-between. Pedestrians can cross at the same time as cars in the same direction, like in America, but there's no authorization to turn right when it's red. (there's a sign that allows bikes to turn right but it's pretty rare)

UK is definitely the safest, and makes sense especially for a busy intersection. I think the French one is still reasonable for low traffic areas.

don ,
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@mattgrayyes In Germany we have regular fatalities from turning traffic. Sometimes there might be a separate phase for pedestrians, but that's not guaranteed and I don't know if it's even common. Can't remember how it is in the rest of Europe.

ChateauErin ,
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@mattgrayyes this is part of why I frequently prefer to jaywalk. There are too many times that I've had scares with turning traffic. Crossing away from intersections means I'm more visible, probably centered in the windshield instead of hidden behind the A pillar airbag.

lambda ,
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@mattgrayyes wait, how exactly does this work? Do all crossings have separate straight and turn traffic lights for cars? Or are there three phases, cars one direction, cars other direction, pedestrians all directions?

mausmalone ,
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@mattgrayyes This is correct in most of the US. There are /some/ intersections with dedicated pedestrian phases but they are very rare.

The previous post is more dependent on local law.

It's helpful to remember that the US is more like the EU than the UK. It's not quite as loosely-federated, but it's a better analogy.

mathw ,
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@mattgrayyes eh what now? Who came up with that bit of absolute insanity?

reesericci ,
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@mattgrayyes no right on red!

DasGanon ,
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@mattgrayyes Extra fun when you're going from a 1 way to a 1 way.

You can turn left on a red light too.

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