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WaterSword , (Bearbeitet ) in The first time I went to Spain I learned that they used a different set of playing cards
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Omg! One of my obsessions!!!

Whenever I travel somewhere, as a souvenir, I buy the local design of playing cards. Even within the colour-regions there are many variations. I might be biased because I’m dutch, but the Dutch Cut is one of my favourites, because of the architecture on the aces!

In Italy every region has their own design! (Even within the ones shown in this map.)

EvacuateSoul ,

even in the colored areas

...of the cards, I eventually understood.

WaterSword ,
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Oops, maybe that was unclear. I meant even within each area of the map; blue, yellow, orange, green there are regional variations in designs!

calcopiritus ,

In Spain every single playing card company has its own design (even if they are all swords, sticks, coins and cups), probably more than one. I don't think I've ever seen the same design twice, every house I go to has different cards.

WaterSword ,
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Yeah that happens a lot in the rest of the world too. In Italy there are two main manufacturers and they each have their own slight variations upon every regional design. Here in NL I don’t even see the classic (carta mundi brand) dutch style anymore. It’s mostly American cards here now.

Canadian_Cabinet , (Bearbeitet ) in The first time I went to Spain I learned that they used a different set of playing cards

This surprised me when I was younger. Heart, diamond, spade, and club seemed so foreign to me. For the record, in Spain we call them copas (cups), oros (coins (literally golds)), bastos (clubs), and espadas (swords).

Also, the pictures used in the map are not the most commonly used ones here. this (top row) is what most cards use

Servais OP ,
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Feel free to join !esp for a Spanish speaking community!

namelivia ,

Suscrito!

federalreverse ,

You do realize that that "club" is a gherkin, right? :)

Fwiw, I like all the properly illustrated variants so much better than the French variant that always feels lifeless to me.

Canadian_Cabinet ,

I don't think so. The other variants of the Spanish-inspired cards are clearly staves. Besides, basto is very, very close to bastón, the word for a staff like a walking stick. Gherkins are called pepinillos

federalreverse ,

It was an attempt at a joke. The one version you linked to is green and kind of looks like a gherkin. That's all.

fah_Q ,

Looks like you

acockworkorange , (Bearbeitet )

Funny enough, in Portuguese, the names for the sets are dirty direct translations of the Spanish versions, but applied to the French icons. It didn’t make much sense to me calling a losange “golds”, or a heart “cups”, a leaf “swords”, and a clover leaf “sticks”.

Edit: autocorrupt

deus ,

Somehow this is the first time I've realized the symbols don't match their names at all. Not really sure what's dirty about them but it's actually pretty handy to have all suits be called the same names in French and Spanish suits since both are widely used around here in Southern Brazil.

Aceticon ,

Not the previous poster but I think the "dirty translation" is because in Portugal some things weren't translated at all (we use the actual word "copas" even though it's not a Portuguese word) and others are translated differently (were the Spanish use "bastos" - clubs - we use "paus" - sticks).

merc ,

Do they have ultra-stylized versions too?

The French symbols are either pure black or pure red, they're symmetrical, and they're fairly abstract. The "diamond" is just a rhombus. The Spade and Club are fairly abstract shapes that don't look like anything in particular.

In the image, all the other versions are multicolored, and still seem to represent real-world objects. But, I'm curious if there are "modern" decks where say the coin (oro) is just a circle, or the club is just a long thin rectangle, or something.

ChapulinColorado ,

Not sure if it is the same as Mexico, but the “oros bastos” set doesn’t have cards 8,9,10 but jump from 7 to sota (fancy lad or something like that), caballo (horse) and Rey (king).

This is similar to the set I was used to: https://www.casino.es/imagenes/juegos/mus/baraja-espanola.jpg

Because of that we use different sets for different games.

Edit: the aces always had very cool designs, with the gold ace having the card brand on display.

state_electrician , in 3,25€ lunches at a work canteen in Spain

Work canteens are usually subsidized. There's no way you get this much food for that price and not have it be total garbage. Even with the scale on which a large caterer operates.

spizzat2 , in The first time I went to Spain I learned that they used a different set of playing cards

I heard about this, and I was excited to pick up a different style when I went to Germany. I got there, and all of the cards used the standard, international suits. No one knew what I was talking about.

anzo Mod ,

Which standard? There are plenty! ;p

Lauchmelder ,

The German suite is most common in east Germany. west Germans use the french deck, or if they're playing German card games they use the tournament German deck (which is just the french deck with different colours)

barsoap ,

Not just any colours but the ones of the German deck: Diamonds are orange because bells are orange, and spades are green because leaves are green. Also spades and leaves look almost identical anyway. Hearts are the same, and acorns become clubs.

And just to be pedantic: It's not the "tournament deck", it's specifically the tournament deck for Skat, adopted when the East and German leagues reunified to avoid confusion. You'll be hard-pressed to get your hands on a 6 or below in those colours because Skat uses 32 cards.

I do think it's a good idea in general, though.

accideath ,

Geographical east, not political East though, Bavaria very heavily uses the German deck. You don’t play Bavarian Schafkopf with a french deck. That’s just weird. I personally also find it weird to play mau mau or Schnautz (Schwimmen) with a French Deck. Doesn’t mean though, that we don’t use the French deck. You don’t play poker or rummy or cribbage for example with German cards. That’s equally as weird.

norimee ,

Huh? The German deck is also known as bavarian cards and they are very common in most of the German South. I'm from swabia and here you use different cards for different games.

Can you even play Schafskopf with the French deck??

timbuck2themoon ,

Schafkopf rules.

pumpkinseedoil ,

In Austria we're almost always (= for everything except poker) using "doppeldeutsche" (double German) cards.

norimee ,

So, you would play Rommy or Canasta with the German cards?

pumpkinseedoil ,

We don't play these games, we play others like Schnapsen or Hosn Owi instead

Franconian_Nomad ,

The standard cards are everywhere, but the German variant is still used, at least in bavaria. Just talk with some grandpas in the village restaurants and they will gleefully get their cards out.

norimee ,

You should have asked for bavarian cards/ bayrische Karten and they would have probably known. They are not widely used in the north though.

RubberElectrons , (Bearbeitet ) in [How much does your meal cost] €3.75 meal at a Danish Engineering company
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Man.. that looks like a lovely lunch. We don't get that kind of thing in America while at work, that I've seen. Hell, we don't really even have cafeterias anymore.

GBU_28 ,

Well not for that price, but there are restaurants that serve food like this

RubberElectrons ,
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I know, gotta pay for it 🙄

Anticorp ,

Microsoft offers similar or even better lunches at similar prices for employees. I gained 15 pounds during my first six months there. LOL

RubberElectrons ,
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Yeah but windows 11 is a war crime lol... Jk I'm glad you're getting cared for

Anticorp ,

I left there years ago, but thanks. And yes, Microsoft produces some very shitty products that are worse than all their competitors, yet they retain the lion's share of the market.

skyspydude1 ,

When I worked at Bosch a about 4 years ago in the US, they had a really solid healthy lunch option like this for $5. Sadly, I think they did away with it during COVID. It definitely exists at some larger companies though.

RubberElectrons ,
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I work for an energy company in the US, only wish we had healthy looking lunch like this. Ah well..

DarkSpectrum ,

That's because it's real food. America should try it sometime

RubberElectrons ,
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I eat like this at home, I'm a reasonably good cook. What's the point of your comment?

jol , (Bearbeitet ) in The first time I went to Spain I learned that they used a different set of playing cards

Huh. That explains why in Portugal hearts is called "copas". Also in Portugal diamonds are called "gold". The design is the French one, but the names stayed the original ones.

All these designs have the same origin in tarot cards, they just evolved slightly differently.

migo ,

But "sticks" and "swords" are inverted, at least in this table.

jol ,

I'm pretty sure this table is incorrect. Swords, spades and cloves are the same. Sticks, clubs, acorns are the same.

jol ,

Reading more about it, it seems like these are the original Latin suits, and the French tried to, and succeeded, in replacing them.

mundane , (Bearbeitet ) in The most consumed type of alcoholic drink in Europe

I was a bit surprised by the wine in Sweden. I sometimes feel like an outcast with my wine on AWs and other outings. It seems that most people around me prefer beer.
Maybe it's a matter of selection bias since I tend to be around the same group of people.

Servais OP ,
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Found this table from the source, wine seems to be quite ahead!

https://discuss.tchncs.de/pictrs/image/88d3ba5e-e7a4-464f-b724-a48ab7e5ae77.png

Successful_Try543 , (Bearbeitet )

The diagram is the amount of pure alcohol. Beer typilally contains 3.5 % - 5 % alcohol and wine 12 %, thus the consumption of beer in litres is larger than wine.

However, I was also surprised how much wine (with or without alcohol) is consumed in Sweden considering its price.

Edit: phrasing

sunzu ,

"Pure" ? You mean generally 40 ethanol?

Successful_Try543 , (Bearbeitet )

No, the calculation is like 0.5 litre beer with 5 vol.% alcohol contain 25 ml pure (100 %) alcohol and these 25 ml go into the statistics as alcohol from the consumption of beer.

AchtungDrempels ,

Pretty sure in sweden supermarket sold beer maxes out at 3.5% alc if i remenber that right.

Successful_Try543 , (Bearbeitet )

Yes, beer with up to 3.5 % you can buy in a supermarket. Beer above 3.5 % is called strong beer (starköl) which you can only buy at Systembolaget, the governmental alcohol store. Considering a large part of the beer is light beer (lättöl) or folks beer (folköl) below 3.5 %, the amount of beer to cover the 36 % pure alcohol is even higher.

Muscar ,

I would have thought that 10 years ago, but wine has become a lot more popular since then. I know it's partly my age and the age of people I mingle with but I've noticed it for younger people too when I'm out and about, common to see groups of ~20 year olds with those 1l or 3l tetra pak wines during weekends.

I_Has_A_Hat , in The most consumed type of alcoholic drink in Europe

How is Russia not spirits? Did they stop drinking Vodka or something?

Aux ,

No, they mix vodka with beer. The beer has a higher proportion of course.

Servais , in Tax The Rich
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Well done France

phneutral OP ,

They know quite well how to step up to the rich and powerful. It’s tradition. We should take them as an example!

Skua , in The first time I went to Spain I learned that they used a different set of playing cards

Is there a particular reason that the French style is so much more abstract than the others?

Jerkface ,

I have no idea, but it looks like they would be much easier to paint with brushes. Or maybe it's to simplify printing with a press; simple shapes, one color each. Just wondering aloud.

dustyData ,

Suit evolution is quite an interesting topic. The first known card decks were usually made of several hundreds of cards and were not standardized, some didn't even have suits. Symbols, images and shapes varied greatly as they were usually hand painted. This European suits are offshoots of Islamic suits. Most likely, each of these suit styles was an attempt to standardize some game or production at different historical points in time and through the interpretation by entirely different artists. The common theory for French abstraction is that they are much simpler symbols which are faster and easier to reproduce in large quantities. Particularly easy to engrave on the first woodwork prints for mass production.

Skua ,

Interesting, thank you!

Cube6392 ,
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Cheaper to print in bulk

crispy_kilt , in [Your much does your meal cost] 8€ meal at a factory in Germany.

Where are the green things?

Successful_Try543 ,

Cucumber as the dish is Tsaziki.

crispy_kilt ,

I know, that's like 5g of vegetables with 100g of saturated fat on the tray. This is a very unhealthy menu.

Successful_Try543 ,

Sorry, I've read 'what' instead of 'where'.

telllos ,

OP probably decided against the green things.

crispy_kilt ,

I hope OP stays healthy

federalreverse , in The most consumed type of alcoholic drink in Europe

I demand this be overlaid against the potato/tomato map!

footoro , in Do you guys like memes more?

I think memes are cool and this one is accurate lol. I’m just hoping this won’t become some right wing community like 2westerneurope4u. Some memes were funny but all the racism and other right wing bullshit made it pretty much unbearable.

pumpkinseedoil ,

Isn't the "racism" (pretty much only between different European countries where you can't really speak about different "races") there ironical?

footoro ,

Nah it wasn’t really the funny kind of stuff, like making fun of your neighbors, more like typical 4chan incel kind of racism

njm1314 , in The first time I went to Spain I learned that they used a different set of playing cards

Oh God poor Italy, a nation torn apart not even able to see the same when it comes to playing cards. Truly a cursed people

Scrollone ,

I mean, up until the '50s we didn't even speak the same language... every region had their own language (Italians called them "dialect", but they're in fact different langauges). Then television came and unified the language (standard Italian is just the dialect of Tuscany).

Italy is a very young country. Sure, the Ancient Romans unified the whole Europe, but Italy has only became a nation in 1861. Pretty young country if you ask me.

grozzle ,

I like the story of mid-1800s crowds shouting "viva L’Italia!" and half the crowd wondering "who is Talia? Garibaldi's wife?"

thepreciousboar ,

Wait until you see that every regione has their own drawings for the same suits

YourPrivatHater , in [Your much does your meal cost] 8€ meal at a factory in Germany.
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For 8€ it should be more. But the quality looks good.

jol ,

Does it? Not 1 single green thing in sight? For a work cafeteria I would hope for a balanced meal.

Edit: my bad, the pool of cream has some green bits in it, so it's technically a salad. Carry on.

YourPrivatHater ,
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I cant decide if the red and white stuff is onion or some veggie. Stuff doesn't need to be green to be tasty and balanced.

riodoro1 ,

If you can’t recognize a fucking onion im sure your diet is perfect.

YourPrivatHater ,
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There is a similar looking type of salad that is often eaten in Germany.

SaintWacko ,

Purple cabbage. And it does look similar

YourPrivatHater ,
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Its eaten like salad though.

We do have actually purple cabbage but its usually eaten hot and looks different.

https://wiki.fermenthings.be/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/blaukraut.jpg

https://ais.kochbar.de/kbrezept/53802_1010429/1200x1200/blaukraut-selbst-eingelegt-rezept-bild-nr-2.jpg

There are some dishes with it where its eaten cold, but it makes the cabbage usually more purple beyond it being mistaken for something else also due to the texture. Many Döner stores put it in the Döner dishes cold as well, tastes great.

Love cabbage. Sauerkraut based, high on vitamins.

SaintWacko ,

Ah, here in the US it's often used as a garnish to add a pop of color

YourPrivatHater ,
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XD thats some use of it in the Premium Dining here as well, but i think it tastes too good to just eat it in small quantities for the color, its healthy and tastes great when done right.

They call us Krauts for a reason XD

SaintWacko ,

I agree! I'll just eat it raw lol

intensely_human ,

“Where’s the green stuff?”

“We got this purple thing”

“Excellent. Carry on”

englislanguage ,

Yes, it is onion and yes, it is some veggie because onions are vegetables 😀

YourPrivatHater ,
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lol

intensely_human ,

I don’t think that’s what “quality” means here. It refers to the competence with which the food is executed.

jol ,

Fair enough

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