VinesNFluff

VinesNFluff , vor einem Tag

Y'know

One time I said "gore in video games doesn't look like real violence, it looks like someone disrespected a plate of italian food"

This lasagna or doom level meme always reminds me of that.

VinesNFluff OP , vor 8 Tagen

Cinnamon is pretty dope

I use Plasma because I'm literally this, but Cinnamon is what I'd recommend to people who say they want something "familiar looking but that just gets out of the way so you can start using your computer to do shit" -- Which ironically is what Gnome purports itself to be.

VinesNFluff OP , vor 8 Tagen

The only thing you got wrong is that the toilet extension would be a third-party thing, and Gnome devs would actively insult anyone who dared be upset they broke it.

VinesNFluff OP , vor 8 Tagen

I actually think general Gnome workflow is pretty alright (even if I prefer other things), but yeah, Gnome devs seem to like. Actively hate their users?

VinesNFluff OP , vor 8 Tagen (Bearbeitet vor 8 Tagen)

I mean. Yes. But Gnome 2 was actually good. It was before the Gnome team caught the "cutting out literally everything for seemingly no reason" disease.

Before they started thinking they knew better than everyone else.

VinesNFluff OP , vor 8 Tagen

My complaint with Gnome is just one, but it is overbearing: Gnome devs want to decide what is best for you, which stinks and goes against the very fundament of open software. But would not per se be a problem -- If they hadn't also decided that a bunch of things that are considered basic features that every other DE and even other OSes have implemented for the past 20 years are, in fact, unnecessary.

Consider the humble System Tray.

Gnome removed the System Tray in favour of a "Control Center". And the Control Center works really well -- For inbuilt Gnome stuff and applications that were written for Gnome. But stuff that is DE agnostic, or god forbid, ported over from another OS? Some of them expect a tray to be there. Have functionality that doesn't work without one. Or do work but are janky. Gnome doesn't offer a system tray. You have to install a third party extension, which would also be fine... Except every time Gnome updates every other third party extension breaks.

And like, sure, it's not Gnome Devs' job to ensure the operability of third party addons, but that you need them to begin with is a failure. Gnome's attitude towards everything seems to be "$#¨$ you, like just actually go &%$# yourself. You do things our way or you use something else. We have decided these things are useless, if you think they are necessary you are a $&@# and %$#$ you and the horse you rode in on"

As for my personal favourite DE? KDE Plasma. It's not something I'd ever recommend to a newcomer, but I like it precisely because of how many moving parts it has. I can make my system look, feel, and act just the way I like it. It's like the polar opposite of Gnome really.

VinesNFluff OP , vor 8 Tagen

Hyprland is pretty cool. Used it for a few montths after I broke my KDE Plasma and couldn't be fucked to fix it (long story)

This thread is the first time I hear about Cosmic though. Looks interesting in pictures.

VinesNFluff OP , vor 7 Tagen

It's the default for Fedora and I think Debian too but don't quote me on the second one.

Me I use SUSE which lets me choose what DE to install.

VinesNFluff OP , vor 7 Tagen

Also what is the difference between a system tray and a control center?

Functionally, there isn't one. Both serve the same ultimate purpose: To be an area where background services and system functionality can be accessed quickly and easily, while staying out of the way of whatever you're doing in the foreground.

The tray is just an older, arguably more primitive metaphor for the same thing: "Just give every service and app its own icon, and make it so that icon can be clicked to access its options and features". It's simple, but it works.

The control center is more elegant, like, really, it is. It saves screen real estate and such. Giving you a little scrollable window where every controllable thing has its own little area. But that is contingent on the application itself implementing that functionality. When an application expects an old-fashioned tray, Gnome's control center just tells that app to go $&#* itself, when they could, if they wanted to, just add a corner on the control center for "legacy apps". But they don't wanna, because they think they know better than everyone else.

VinesNFluff OP , vor 7 Tagen

I guess congratulations on proving the point I made on my other post?

Gnome’s attitude towards everything seems to be “$#¨$ you, like just actually go &%$# yourself. You do things our way or you use something else. We have decided these things are useless, if you think they are necessary you are a $&@# and %$#$ you and the horse you rode in on”

VinesNFluff OP , vor 7 Tagen (Bearbeitet vor 7 Tagen)

See, while I understand that the "the system should be invisible and get out of the way so people can do things with their computers" philosophy isn't for me, I entirely understand it as not only valid, but preferred by most people. --

-- It's just that Gnome's approach to "getting out of the way" is at best counterproductive? I used Gnome for like 3 months in 2022, figured I'd give it a try, I'm always down to try new stuff. And I felt like I was just constantly fighting against it, having to do configuration stuff and install third-party addons not as a funtime activity because I like to make my computer look prettier, but because if I didn't, shit just refused to work. It was only much later that I learned that the reason I had to keep wrestling Gnome is because the peeps behind it had actively decided that the things I needed to do were stupid and didn't need doing.

You'll see me praising Cinnamon in a different comment. Cinnamon, a cousin of Gnome's born of Gnome 2, is what I'd call a DE that gets out of the way. It doesn't have all the moving parts that KDE does, and that is to its credit. Because it has everything it needs to have and no more but also no less.

VinesNFluff OP , vor 7 Tagen

Oh no, I entirely agree with the system tray being a leftover from an older era. The Control Center is actually super elegant. But it doesn't do to come up with a nicer, more elegant solution while telling all legacy support to go &*&$ itself in the same breath because it's no longer your problem.

That's some Apple bollocks, and if I wanted to deal with Apple's shit I'd get a Mac.

VinesNFluff OP , vor 7 Tagen

Do not

like come on man, it's not even a Vaporeon!

VinesNFluff OP , vor 7 Tagen

As I said -- Same reason I love it.

That system control panel app with all its billions of options and everything being customizable and change-able is very good if you are a user who a. WANTS to customize everything b. Either knows how or is willing to learn.

Most beginners aren't after that. They want something that is somewhat familiar and that works well. And while, sure, Plasma's defaults are pretty good... I can totally see a newbie user opening up KCM and immediately becoming overwhelmed. Another user here even mentioned how much time they wasted because all those choices actually got in the way of them getting stuff done

VinesNFluff OP , vor 7 Tagen

I already mentioned the System Tray, back then I used MegaSync for cloud backups and that app was completely broken due to the lack of a Tray. (I have since switched to using Syncthing and an old laptop with a USB HDD as a ghetto """""NAS""""" solution... Which would probably work quite well on Gnome actually, as Syncthing is a service and is controlled through a web interface)

Wine stuff was janky as hell. As were Qt apps. For one thing wine applications, too, expected a Tray, and would instead spawn a tiny window at the corner for tray stuff. Plus there was weird behaviour with some windows and the way they layered. As for Qt apps? Gnome offered no features for setting the look of Qt apps, so if I set Gnome to dark mode (by the way, very neat feature how Gnome's default theme deals with that, no joke here, very seamless and elegant, even if I'd never use light mode willingly), Qt apps would still be bright and I had to just install a third-party application for it (qt5ct) and set something in my /etc/environment.

All of these things had solutions, to be sure, an extension for the tray, a third-party application for the Qt apps, etc. But then I did an apt upgrade and literally all the extensions broke. So I had to spend an extra hour that day figuring out what I'd do about that. Joy of joys.

Then there is the Gnome File Manager.
Why in the name of all that is unholy did it not let one type in the addresses of folders? Or copy them or... ? Sure, icons and breadcrumbs are nice, but being able to type in an address when you know it saves a ton of time. And maybe I want to copy a location to use it on the terminal? That should have been one of the first things to be implemented. Apparently a recent patch to Gnome has added the address bar "feature" (which has been part of Windows Explorer since 1994 and of every Linux File Manager I've known since forever--), but like. Bruh.

So I installed Thunar, the File Manager from XFCE, but now I was using a separate file manager entirely and having to deal with everything that comes with switching file managers from the DE's default. Like. WOW.

VinesNFluff OP , vor 7 Tagen

Digimon Tamers implies that Digimons evolve from clusters of loose data in much the same way as lifeforms evolved from chemical matter, and since they can apparently interface with those little handheld devices (probably running on z80 or 6502-esque processors with only a simple kernel by way of an "OS" given it was still the early aughts and ARM had a long way to go) as well as PCs (most likely Windows 98, because early aughts Japan), they seem to be platform-agnostic, able to adapt to any machine in much the same way animals adapt to different biomes.

VinesNFluff OP , vor 7 Tagen

That's fair ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

VinesNFluff , vor 15 Tagen

• If you try to remind GAYMURS of industry abuses after Hypernormalisation has kicked in for them, they'll call you names.

VinesNFluff , vor 15 Tagen

If you think basic features are necessary you are a toxic and unserious person who doesn't understand professional interfaces. /s

VinesNFluff , vor 27 Tagen

alias molest="sudo touch"

And in a similar vein back when I used an arch adjacent distro I aliased pacman -R to "yeet"

Install a package with yay packagename, get rid of it with yeet packagename

VinesNFluff , vor einem Monat

It does look and act like a cellphone OS :P

VinesNFluff , vor einem Monat

Pirated versions totally work on Linux. I do quite a bit of pirating.

It just takes a bit more effort to manage, but I use Lutris for my pirated titles.

VinesNFluff , vor einem Monat (Bearbeitet vor einem Monat)

Honestly the lack of customizability is the least of my worries with Gnome.

Why the FUCK doesn't it have a SYSTEM TRAY without an extension?

Like it's one thing to be minimalistic and opinionated.

It's another thing entirely to opt out of basic system functionality that has been part of every OS since 1997. Like fuck.

Edit: Also how fun that this is how I find out Hyprland is cooked due to internet drama and 4chan bullshit.

VinesNFluff , vor einem Monat

"Is cooked", meaning "Is in trouble" or "Is in some shit".

Hyprland's dev got themselves into some internet fight because they associated themselves with a transphobe and Freedesktop people decided this was enough.

VinesNFluff , vor einem Monat (Bearbeitet vor einem Monat)

Eh, I'll be honest. Having read the posts here (from both Vaxry AND Freedesktop) about the subject:

It does seem like Vaxry is just a well-meaning software dev caught up in shit he didn't ask for. He wasn't the person who made the comment for one thing.

But also I kinda get Freedesktop's angle here, being a queer person myself. I've seen communities I previously cared about get ship-of-theseused into places that are deeply unwelcoming to people like me due to brushing off this kind of 'joke'. You give the -phobes an inch they WILL take the entire road.

VinesNFluff , vor einem Monat (Bearbeitet vor einem Monat)

This kind of attitude is precisely what rubs me the wrong way about gnome.

Like nevermind customization. I care about it because I am literally this. But most people just want their OS to work and get out of the way so they can get to doing work or playing games or looking at hentai or whatever it is their do with their computer and I get and respect that.

It is true that Gnome's control center can do a lot of things. All the integrated system functionality is there, as is the stuff for applications that are made FOR Gnome.

But the thing is. A lot of programmes that aren't Gnome-centered, that are DE-agnostic or even System-Agnostic? They expect a system tray, because every OS has had something like it since 1997, and implement functionality expecting it to be there, with some configurations and such only being accessible through the tray icon. And Gnome's general attitude to third party applications expecting something to be there is "fuck off, we don't care, the third party application should adapt to how we do things, but if you REALLY need this thing we decided is worthless, you can install this janky third party extension to get it I guess".

My choice for 'gets out of the way' would be something like Cinnamon. In my experience, Gnome does the opposite of getting out of the way, as a lot of basic functionality requires third party stuff. So in order to get things to work, if they aren't specifically part of the Gnome ecossystem, you'll have to spend time tinkering, and it's not 'tinkering for fun because I like coonfing', it's 'tinkering out of necessity to get this thing to work properly' which is not nice.

VinesNFluff , vor einem Monat

[tongue click]

In another universe where things are entirely different, I might agree to the 'people should be very private online'. Fuck, I'd even extend it to real life?

But we don't live in that other universe, and in the universe we currently live, obnoxious behaviour from The Straights (tm) isn't considered obnoxious by 90% of society, whereas even the smallest bit of expression from a GSM person is seen as extravagant and explicit. Straight people can take advantage of the standard of 'people should be private' because their expression isn't considered unprivate by most and the opposite isn't true for us.

So $&*# that. I'll be as loudly gay as I can be.

VinesNFluff , vor einem Monat

Dropbox and MEGAsync, though I stopped using those late last year (switched to having an old laptop as a "home server" and using syncthing for backups) so maybe they changed since then. They were my ur-example for it, as I was still using them last time I tried gnome.

Lots of wine related things. Game clients and such. If wine can't find a tray it drops a window on a corner with the tray icons which works but is inelegant

Then there's programs that while absolutely usable without a tray, are just better if you have it. Steam for one, with a tray it lets you close out the main window(s) and then call up just the thing you want from the tray. AntimicroX too. A pair of electron apps like Heroic Launcher and Zapzap (a WhatsApp client) have troubleshooting things and configs on the tray icon, even if you can use them without that (or learn key shortcuts for the same function)

VinesNFluff , vor einem Monat

Geez mate I'm a commie too but you sure do spam. T'is getting old.

VinesNFluff , vor einem Monat

Does posting exclude texting to group chats?

Cuz I tend to do a lot of that. Don't really do social media (this barely counts), prefer to spend time with a select few gay nerds.

VinesNFluff , vor 2 Monaten

XOrg and Wayland are two different programs that serve the same purpose, which is to act as a sort of middleman between the graphics driver, the window manager(s), and the many programs you're running.

XOrg is ancient. Early 80s ancient. It's been added to since those days as need arose, and is therefore full of weird messy legacy stuff and jury-rigs. But it is also what Linux has used for a very, very long time, and is therefore like. Ol' Reliable workhorse, yanno?

Wayland is a new and bold step that rewrites the entire system from the ground up to address the shortcomings of XOrg (don't ask me to specify, I actually don't know), it has, however, been criticised for not having (and devs downright not wanting it to have) certain features that XOrg has. But it can also run applications that expect XOrg with a thing (jargon escapes me) called XWayland.

Personally I've used both. And... Uh...

Wayland was a bit faster and smoother maybe? But it also caused some specific applications to misbehave and get all crashy-buggy. But that was a personal experience and may well have been my fault.

VinesNFluff , vor 2 Monaten

muscle

It's actually mostly fat and water.

VinesNFluff , vor 2 Monaten

It's not like far right Linux guys are unheard of.

It's just that they tend to be "literally who's" instead of anyone relevant to any project people care about.

VinesNFluff , vor 2 Monaten

The trajectory of the term "PC" will never not amuse me.

It used to be a specific brand of a category of products ("PC" was IBM's "Home Computer". That was the name of the category. "Home computers", computers for the home)

Then because the IBM PC was 99% off-the-shelf parts and 1% a proprietary bios, as soon as a cleanroom clone of that bios was written, every manufacturer under the sun made their own "IBM Compatible", and eventually, as IBM's role in the whole thing became less and less relevant (... And eventually they tried to move to a new, incompatible format with the IBM PS/2, and this failed hard) it became "PC Compatible" -- But what a "PC Compatible" was, even back then, was something that was constantly changing due to the multitude of companies making them. Their unifying factor being... Uhh... x86 architecture and some variation of DOS, which made them run the same programs more or less.

Eventually "PC" and "Computer" became interchangeable to most normies. With the word "Computer" even being considered "Old fashioned" by some.

VinesNFluff , vor 2 Monaten

"for some reason"

Microsoft out-sleazed them by exploiting their pride, that's the reason. IBM was in a huge rush to get SOME Home Computer out before the 80s were over. They had snubbed the very idea of computers in the home and let Apple and Commodore steal a rich market from under their feet.

So they didn't even bother scrutinising the contract: They didn't think that the BIOS could ever be cloned, and if it was, they figured they'd just sue any company that did out of business. So Microsoft having their own version of DOS was "no threat", as without the BIOS, DOS could run on any 8086 processor but that wouldn't make it work with IBM software.

But the court ultimately sided with Compaq (not Eagle, Eagle got into trouble) as their BIOS clone was a cleanroom reverse-engineering project and therefore "fair use", and that was curtains for IBM.

VinesNFluff , vor 2 Monaten

The word console is less fun because it's not a brand that somehow got ship-of-theseused into no longer being a brand. Such things are exceedingly rare. Getting a brand name to become the product name is common, but to have the brand that originated that disappear in the process is not.

Console is just a generic term, it originated in architecture, where it meant "bit that protrudes out of the wall". It took on the meaning of "cabinet" and eventually started being used for the part of a machine that would have its meter readouts and its control bits and bobs. A gaming console is a console because it's... A machine. In an alternate universe we call it a "contraption". Has the same effect.

VinesNFluff , vor 2 Monaten

GMDX is pretty neat

VinesNFluff , vor 2 Monaten

One of the best video games ever made.

VinesNFluff , vor 2 Monaten

Human beings may not be perfect but a computer program with language synthesis is hardly the answer to the world's problems.

VinesNFluff , vor 2 Monaten

Also me when I have a boner but that's unrelated.

VinesNFluff , vor 2 Monaten

Once I went travelling and left my arch(btw) desktop computer unplugged for just over a full month.

When I came back there were 1 235 packages needing updating, between repo and AUR.

.... It worked fine tho. That install didn't really go to shit until about a month ago, when months of sloppy system management on my end finally caught up to me and left me with a lot of mysterious issues. So I cut my losses and ditched it.

I'm using OpenSUSE Tumbleweed now (btw).

VinesNFluff , vor 2 Monaten

The only "issue" with man pages is that they open in less and less is a bit too -- Vim-y. So you end up needing to read a manual on how to read manuals?

VinesNFluff , vor 2 Monaten

Man man man man manly men~

VinesNFluff OP , vor 2 Monaten

Proprietary NVidia API for paralell computation.

Very useful for Machine Learning stuff. And for Crypto though that has fallen out of fashion nowadays.

Basically if you're doing a fuck-ton of math and want it to happen very fast, you want to use a GPU to do it (GPUs are literally made for that -- That this helps them draw video games is a happy consequence), and NVidia's CUDA tech makes it... Easier? Faster? Not sure what the proper difference is, but yeah.

VinesNFluff OP , vor 2 Monaten

It is not two concentric circles, but the overlap is gigantic.

Both circles are entirely contained within a larger circle that says "neurodiverse people", though.

VinesNFluff OP , vor 2 Monaten

On my end, like --

I have about as many tech issues with Windows as with Linux -- It comes with me enjoying tinkering as a hobby I think?

BUT, and this is important, when shit breaks on Linux, there is always output on the terminal, or a log file, or something else you can check, and even when I don't know what to do about it, a simple copypaste of the error on internet search usually gets me some answers.

When shit breaks on Windows? HOLY FUCKING SHIT. It just sorta dies and leaves you in the dark with nothing to go on for troubleshooting. Windows wants to make computers into magic boxes that "just werk", but it never really gets there, and instead what you get is something that breaks just as often, but is a lot more opaque.

That BSOD with an emoticon lives rent-free in my head. Like who the fuck thought it was a good idea?

VinesNFluff OP , vor 2 Monaten

The few times I had to use the Windows Event Viewer I left having learned - Uh - Nothing except a newfound hatred for Microsoft. It's weird to navigate, and the logs are close to useless.