indeededa ,
@indeededa@lemmy.world avatar

labwc: imagine not having a window decorations

CCF_100 ,

What's the teardrop logo and why is it banned from FreeDesktop?

sag OP ,
@sag@lemm.ee avatar

It's Hyprland and Here's explanation why he is banned. (Ofcourse he is toxic because he is a Anarchy Minecraft Player me too sadly but I am not toxic)

Rainb0wSkeppy ,

tty: imagine requiring graphics mode

Lulzagna ,

Imagine NOT being banned from FreeDesktop

Ziglin ,

Sorry but a tty is just a teletype terminal, using a tty could just as easily mean using kitty, alacritty, gnome terminal or the one you get if you were to use your shell as an init system (not sure what that would be called). You don't switch from a tty to Alacritty, as you're still just in a tty.

Also to my knowledge kitty has hardware acceleration too.

Sorry to be nitpicking but I think knowing that tty isn't just what you get when you press ctrl+alt+f2 is important for a deeper understanding of the operating system.

VinesNFluff , (Bearbeitet )
@VinesNFluff@pawb.social avatar

Honestly the lack of customizability is the least of my worries with Gnome.

Why the FUCK doesn't it have a SYSTEM TRAY without an extension?

Like it's one thing to be minimalistic and opinionated.

It's another thing entirely to opt out of basic system functionality that has been part of every OS since 1997. Like fuck.

Edit: Also how fun that this is how I find out Hyprland is cooked due to internet drama and 4chan bullshit.

Midnight1938 ,

Hyprland's what?

VinesNFluff ,
@VinesNFluff@pawb.social avatar

"Is cooked", meaning "Is in trouble" or "Is in some shit".

Hyprland's dev got themselves into some internet fight because they associated themselves with a transphobe and Freedesktop people decided this was enough.

Midnight1938 ,

You'd imagine freeDesktop devs to be more mature about something like that compared to a young adult, and end up being wrong and unsurprised

VinesNFluff , (Bearbeitet )
@VinesNFluff@pawb.social avatar

Eh, I'll be honest. Having read the posts here (from both Vaxry AND Freedesktop) about the subject:

It does seem like Vaxry is just a well-meaning software dev caught up in shit he didn't ask for. He wasn't the person who made the comment for one thing.

But also I kinda get Freedesktop's angle here, being a queer person myself. I've seen communities I previously cared about get ship-of-theseused into places that are deeply unwelcoming to people like me due to brushing off this kind of 'joke'. You give the -phobes an inch they WILL take the entire road.

Midnight1938 ,

In my opinion everyone needs to be very private online, so i cant really relate.

But kinda see what you mean

VinesNFluff ,
@VinesNFluff@pawb.social avatar

[tongue click]

In another universe where things are entirely different, I might agree to the 'people should be very private online'. Fuck, I'd even extend it to real life?

But we don't live in that other universe, and in the universe we currently live, obnoxious behaviour from The Straights (tm) isn't considered obnoxious by 90% of society, whereas even the smallest bit of expression from a GSM person is seen as extravagant and explicit. Straight people can take advantage of the standard of 'people should be private' because their expression isn't considered unprivate by most and the opposite isn't true for us.

So $&*# that. I'll be as loudly gay as I can be.

Midnight1938 ,

...Okay?

rtxn ,

As I understand, the person who ultimately made the decision to ban Vaxry was also on a massive power trip.

djsaskdja ,

What do you need a system tray for? It has a drop-down control center on the top-right. That mirrors most of the functionality from a system tray that I would need.

VinesNFluff , (Bearbeitet )
@VinesNFluff@pawb.social avatar

This kind of attitude is precisely what rubs me the wrong way about gnome.

Like nevermind customization. I care about it because I am literally this. But most people just want their OS to work and get out of the way so they can get to doing work or playing games or looking at hentai or whatever it is their do with their computer and I get and respect that.

It is true that Gnome's control center can do a lot of things. All the integrated system functionality is there, as is the stuff for applications that are made FOR Gnome.

But the thing is. A lot of programmes that aren't Gnome-centered, that are DE-agnostic or even System-Agnostic? They expect a system tray, because every OS has had something like it since 1997, and implement functionality expecting it to be there, with some configurations and such only being accessible through the tray icon. And Gnome's general attitude to third party applications expecting something to be there is "fuck off, we don't care, the third party application should adapt to how we do things, but if you REALLY need this thing we decided is worthless, you can install this janky third party extension to get it I guess".

My choice for 'gets out of the way' would be something like Cinnamon. In my experience, Gnome does the opposite of getting out of the way, as a lot of basic functionality requires third party stuff. So in order to get things to work, if they aren't specifically part of the Gnome ecossystem, you'll have to spend time tinkering, and it's not 'tinkering for fun because I like coonfing', it's 'tinkering out of necessity to get this thing to work properly' which is not nice.

djsaskdja ,

Hmmm alright I guess you laid out a pretty good argument. Even when I still used Windows I basically always ignored the system tray. I found it annoying and distracting. Didn’t even really notice it was gone when I started using Linux with GNOME.

Bolt ,

I haven't had to use any application like that in a while, though I'm sure you're right that they exist. Could you give me an example of an application feature that's only accessible from the system tray?

VinesNFluff ,
@VinesNFluff@pawb.social avatar

Dropbox and MEGAsync, though I stopped using those late last year (switched to having an old laptop as a "home server" and using syncthing for backups) so maybe they changed since then. They were my ur-example for it, as I was still using them last time I tried gnome.

Lots of wine related things. Game clients and such. If wine can't find a tray it drops a window on a corner with the tray icons which works but is inelegant

Then there's programs that while absolutely usable without a tray, are just better if you have it. Steam for one, with a tray it lets you close out the main window(s) and then call up just the thing you want from the tray. AntimicroX too. A pair of electron apps like Heroic Launcher and Zapzap (a WhatsApp client) have troubleshooting things and configs on the tray icon, even if you can use them without that (or learn key shortcuts for the same function)

bitwolf ,

Gnome has an alternative for the system tray now.
Caffeine uses it, it appears as a button in the control center.

That said, many people believe the system tray was a bad design decision, including Gnome.

Personally I don't like applications going into the tray, I usually set them to quit when the window is closed where possible.

shekau ,

This, and don't forget that gnome comes with their pre-installed email client called "Evolution" which you cannot uninstall because it depends on core elements of gnome.

lauha ,

I need myself a tilling compositor

mlg ,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

The KDE to GNOME should have been "imagine not having standard min max window titlebar buttons by default" with each following DE dunking on GNOME for the same reason.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4ae4d927-11dd-4acb-bf6d-30b41016114d.jpeg

Seriously, what degenerate thought this was a good idea. Even gesture spamming Mac users still have their standard GUI in case they want to use the mouse like a normal person or idk someone not fluent in computers wants to use the machine without feeling like chopping their hand off.

knolord ,

I fully agree. Why do I have to install gnome-tweaks just to make the UI usable?

Humorless4483 ,

Middle click for minimize and double click for maximize

lengau ,

Yeah the XFCE dunking of KDE doesn't even make sense these days - a fresh XFCE system has similar memory use to a fresh Plasma desktop with similar features.

(To be clear: the only one of those dunks I actually feel was deserved was the dunk on gnome.)

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Is this some GUI thing I'm too CLI to understand?

rtxn ,

Anyone praising GNOME can be dismissed if they forget to define client-side decorations for their comment.

(this comment was made by The Entire Desktop *nix Ecosystem Except GNOME gang)

AVincentInSpace ,

wait hyprland is banned from freedesktop? what???

governorkeagan ,

The maintainer is banned - context

neclimdul ,

Don't know who this person is but I have a hard time taking him seriously calling people children while reading out the emails like I high schooler dishing gossip and dismissing transphobic moderators as a "whoops"

Jackie_meaiii ,

incostimizible

old_machine_breaking_apart ,

They tried to fix it, but gnome didn't allow to customize toe comment

corsicanguppy ,

incostomizable

Stay in school, kids.

imagine

imagine

imagine

imagine

imagine

imagine

imagine

imagine

imagine

And maybe learn other words.

Buddahriffic ,

Imagine not even noticing repetition being used deliberately...

Titou ,
@Titou@sh.itjust.works avatar

Next is Dwm

ILikeBoobies ,

imagine being so uncustomizable that you’re customizable

Isn’t really a good argument, even though this is silly

DriftinGrifter ,

nah gnome should be a lot more open from the get-go and its screensharing is crap

leo85811nardo ,

Extensions are not equivalent to native customization, and both have pros and cons. On one hand, extensions provide a variety of features that can be added specific to people's likings, but on the other hand, there are chances of incompatibility (in gnome shells for example) and delayed maintenance from developers (which results in having to wait for them to finish the work when dependency updates)

rickyrigatoni ,
@rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee avatar

Extensions break every update. Native customization doesn't unless something dumb happened.

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