This is so weird, not just in the Netherlands but in the UK as well: So many hardline anti-immigrant politicians are immigrants themselves or descendants of immigrants. Why?
While often propagated as an anti-semitic conspiracy, in reality the Zionist lobby (which has nothing to do with Judaism as there's also a lot of Christian Zionists) does have a very long arm. Israel has deep lobbies in every country (especially America).
Almost every country has the equivalent of an AIPAC which sole goal is to lobby for israel. For every dollar they spend on lobbying they can get a country's politician to donate their taxpayer dollars a thousand times back to israel.
The Dutch military is buying many weapons from israeli [Elbit Systems].
As reported by Army Recognition on May 18, 2023, the procurement of the Elbit PULS rocket artillery systems is part of a €305 million contract signed between Elbit Systems and the Netherlands. This contract entails the delivery of 20 PULS MLRS over the next five years, with the initial four systems to be delivered on Tatra Force (815-7) 6x6 chassis for training and reserve purposes. Subsequently, the remaining 16 systems, already mounted on Scania chassis, will be divided into two batteries, each with two platoons, equating to four PULS systems per platoon.
You can't blame them, I bet they're pRoTeSt vOtErS, they just want to stick it to those in power. I don't see any better way to voice discontent with the government than to vote for Nazis - do you?
I sure as hell didn't vote for him, but unfortunately a lot of the people in this country have become victims of his populism. Now while at first I was hoping his coalition would fall ASAP, polls have indicated that he's only gathered more support during the time it took him to form it. That means there's a non-zero chance that if we have re-elections sooner rather than later, he could get enough votes to rule without other parties. We just have to endure it for a bit until he inevitably fails and loses the voters' trust like Rutte before him.
Putting both, "anti-israel" and "pro-palestine" in the headline is probably an attempt to avoid undercomplex thinking. Great discourse strategy, very helpful
I am pro both existing side by side, which is pro-Palestine and pro-Israel. Are you calling the many Israelis who would like to peacefully co-exist anti-Israel?
I think it's important to remember that for most people, anti-Israel does not mean Israel cannot exist at all. It is that the Israel we know, cannot continue to exist in the way that it is. Similarly to being anti-South African apartheid did not mean all the settlers had to be leave, it meant the country had to fundamentally change the way it operates and treated the its citizens.
To add, if you are calling yourself pro-Israel, I think you should be aware that for most people that means you are a-okay with how Israel has been oppressing and murdering Palestinians for decades.
I disagree that being in favour of something means you agree with everything they do, but for the record, I've been to Palestine several times and I didn't liked what Israel was doing back then, let alone the current disgusting atrocities that Netanyahu's currently perpetuating.
I didn't intend to say being pro-Israel means you're okay with everything they do. What I'm trying to say is that in my experience, people interpret "pro-Israel" as being in support of the way in which Israel exists, namely an apartheid an ethnostate.
I'm envious of your trips to Palestine. One day I'll get there. I have friends who said they will take me one day.
Really I was arguing with the "anti-Israel" part, since I don't think that's merely interpreted as meaning you're not in favour of Israeli policy. I was attempting to agree with the top of the thread's implication that "anti-Israel" feels like it's been used as a short step away from "antisemitic", which Israel has a long history of using in the face of any criticism.
Can the Nazis and the Jews exist at the same time?
Are you calling the many Israelis who would like to peacefully co-exist anti-Israel?
Yes of course they are anti israel. They wish to co-exist in harmony under a single state called Palestine. Changing the governing structure doesn't mean everyone has to leave.
timesofisrael.com
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