variants ,

Or the biological need to be afraid of ourselves because if I saw a human standing in my backyard in the shadows I would be as scared as if it were an alien, humans aren't a joke when they want to kill or maim and humans love to kill or maim if they need something you have

OldManBOMBIN ,

My brother accidentally cut his foot open with an axe about an hour ago. That's how much humans love to maim. We do it idly as we work.

AnarchistArtificer ,

Yup. We're least safe when we most think we're safe. Architects of self fulfilling prophecies

OldManBOMBIN ,

I'm an engineer actually

AnarchistArtificer ,

That's a hilarious reply, and I can't think of a witty response to match it

OldManBOMBIN ,

Yeah that sounds like an architect XD

AnarchistArtificer ,

Fuckin' savage.

OldManBOMBIN ,

Love you

Lifebandit666 ,

I call this feeling "The Holy Spirit" and no I'm not religious, hear me out.

So there's "The Father" which is you, in charge of everything.

Then there's "The Son" which is your Jesus, the bit of you that does shit mostly perfectly without any input from you. The scary example of this is when you drive to work and can't remember the drive at all. Jesus Take the wheel. Teach your Jesus right and you can trust he'll do things fine.

Then The Holy Spirit, which is that part of you that sees everything, before the filters are applied, and let's you know something is off. There's no obvious reason for it, but there's something off about this guy and we need to get away from him as soon as possible and never interact with them again.

The Jesus part is the important bit for most of us. Learning to play the guitar? Teach your Jesus. When you've practiced enough you can just trust that Jesus will hit the notes while you concentrate on singing along.

When I learned to Juggle I just taught my Jesus how to throw properly so it lands in the other hand.

At work I teach my Jesus how to do the manual labour, do the checks I need to do, and I can concentrate on ripping on my work colleagues.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

"But in general, take my advice, when you meet anything that's going to be Human and isn't yet, or used to be Human once and isn't now, or ought to be Human and isn't, you keep your eyes on it and feel for your hatchet."

OlPatchy2Eyes ,

May I ask where this is from?

hasnt_seen_goonies ,

The chronicles of Narnia, the lion the witch and the wardrobe. I think it's the beaver talking about how the witch isn't human?

explodicle ,

Ok that makes more sense coming from a Christian book. I was wondering if they'd be hatcheting fetuses.

Iron_Lynx ,

Am I seeing this right? Are you calling one of the defining works of Fantasy literature a "Christian book?"

explodicle ,
Lifebandit666 ,

Sacrifice the Lion for the good of everyone? It comes back from the dead... Not ringing any bells?

ZombieMantis ,
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Illness, death, and antisocial behavior. All of these were threats we evolved to handle, people who are "a little bit off" in one way or another, who might endanger the group or individual. This, and that our pattern seeking brains don't like it when something doesn't easily fit within an existing schema, even more so if it lies just outside of our existing preconceptions.

Obviously, I can't say that these definitely are the reasons why we experience the uncanny valley, but I think it's probably a better explanation than... Skin walkers? Or whatever else the meme would be implying.

Still, it's a cool premise for a horror story at least.

ZombiFrancis ,

Our instincts draw from pretty far back in our biological origins as well. The notion of mimiclike predators is pretty damned ancient and likely a factor for very earliest common ancestry.

Ragnarok314159 ,

Mimiclike predators sound like psychopaths. Which, very much would be a reason we evolved uncanny valley, but they learned to blend in.

Madison420 ,

There's also the concept of gender blindness until it became necessary to differentiate between groups and eventually people.

Sorta like the story of the color blue.

MindTraveller ,

Psychopath isn't a real mental illness, it's just Latin for mentally ill person.

hellofriend ,

Psychopath is derived from Ancient Greek... And even besides that, laymen generally use the term to describe ASPD despite the two conditions not being entirely the same. Don't be obtuse.

MindTraveller ,

Yes, I'm aware that the word has been used as a slur against people with ASPD and other mental illnesses, what's your point?

intensely_human ,

Hey man as long as you behave prosocially, it’s none of my business what your emotional life is like.

barsoap ,

The best non-DSM category for socio/psychopath I've come across is the lack of affective empathy, but intact cognitive empathy. (non-DSM because that's just symptom clusters not aetiologies, you quite literally need to have broken laws to be diagnosed with ASPD). Then you have a look at what skills are useful to have as a surgeon, like not flinching when you cut into people, and their character traits including their bedside manners, yep there's plenty of perfectly integrated psychopaths around. Same goes for pyromaniacs fire departments are full of them, you only ever hear about the ones who don't get the curve.

RizzRustbolt ,

The leading theory is Rabies.

linkhidalgogato ,

yes other hominins or maybe fear is the standard response to something u are completely unprepared for evolutionary.

Donjuanme ,

Or you need to identify those who aren't behaving properly (sickness or other resource intense disability) and should be outcast from the group (something we don't need to do today, but the right wing narrative insists that need to do)

Num10ck ,

we should be outcasting all sorts of toxic behaviors instead of putting them in charge.

Donjuanme ,

I do believe there's a happy medium between out-casting and electing, probably even a large amount of medium space.

But that's not what you get in a first past the post system.

Num10ck ,

agreed but i also mean business leaders

Ragnarok314159 ,

Usually they just an MBA.

MindTraveller ,

Yeah, like neurotypical people. There should be a rule against holding office in government if you're neurotypical.

flicker ,

I was thinking rabies.

A person who looks wrong.

Ragnarok314159 ,

I was thinking psychopath. Someone who tries to blend in and act normal but never quite gets it. We have no problem be horrors to other species, but early humans couldn’t afford a psychopath willing and wanting to kill their own tribe.

MindTraveller ,

Psychopath is just Latin for mentally ill person. Someone suffering from depression is a "psychopath", and no, depressed people aren't dangerous. What the fuck is wrong with you?

dunz ,
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Even though that's what the latin translation is, that's not what the word means. The definition is "Psychopathy, or psychopathic personality is a personality construct characterized by impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, and egocentric traits masked by superficial charm and the outward presence of apparent normality".

MindTraveller ,

It's not in the DSM, because it's not real. It's a fake diagnosis pushed by pseudoscientists.

hellofriend ,

Okay, first of all: the DSM is used primarily in North America. The majority of the world uses ICDM.

Secondly, the DSM has gone through many iterations and changes. For instance, DSM-I and -II contained psychopathy as a mental illness. It was replaced by ASPD in DSM-III. What we term today as "major depressive disorder" was also introduced in DSM-III. Did depression not exist prior to the third DSM? Did ASPD not exist? Does psychopathy not exist now that it has been replaced by ASPD?

Thirdly, there's so much bloody overlap in conditions listed in the DSM that you could present two psychiatrists with the same list of symptoms and they would diagnose two different disorders. And to my mind, this lends more credence to the first DSM's principle classifications of psychotic, neurotic, and behavioural disorders.

To summarize, the DSM is regional and therefore cannot be applied globally. It describes medical conditions and those medical conditions can be redefined at any time. And it is borderline unreliable due to diagnostic confusion and overspecification. In short, the presence or lack thereof of some cluster of symptoms in the DSM is not an indicator of the existence of a condition.

MindTraveller ,

The DSM removed it because it was fake. Early psychologists believed in it, and over time they were proven wrong, so the official materials were revised.

hellofriend ,

Ah, so you're just a troll account, then. Very well, carry on.

Ragnarok314159 ,

Are you legitimately stupid? Do you not understand what the commonly accepted definition is for psychopath?

I suggest you figure it out before spouting Reddit level drivel.

MindTraveller ,

Actually, tribal humans tend to support people with disabilities, even severe ones. It's only feudal and capitalist societies that treat disabled people with cruelty. It isn't natural.

intensely_human ,

something we don't need to do today, but the right wing narrative insists that need to do

People keep saying this, but I really don’t see right wingers arguing for outcasting people.

Donjuanme ,

I'm sorry, you don't see phobias in the right wing?

It's proven right wing individuals have more active fear trigger regions of the brain.

Building a wall and shutting down the border, letting people die of dehydration in the desert, are policies from the left wing?

Persen ,

Dead bodies probably.

intensely_human ,

And Hulkamaniacs

samus12345 ,
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But it's generally pretty obvious when someone's dead. More likely it has to do with someone alive who may have a communicable disease.

maeries ,

But it's not obvious that a dead body is dangerous

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

I suppose that's true before they start to smell.

MonkderDritte ,

Or it's just that something feels off, fellow human.

On the other hand, maybe because we're a highly social species and some people are just crazy, which you see in their face or behavior.

Persen ,

You mostly see this in autistic or ADHD people, even if most of us aren't dangerous.

MonkderDritte ,

That's a unlucky side-effect of this instinct i think?

volvoxvsmarla ,

I just wanted one funny meme before bed not nightmare fuel but here we go

BeMoreCareful ,

Look in your shower.

Slovene ,
JokeDeity ,

I mean, we existed as the same time as other early ape species (which we killed off like the monsters we are), so it makes sense.

billgamesh ,

Killed off, but not necessarily by violence.

intensely_human ,

We killed them with snark

billgamesh ,

I think the most compelling theory is we mated them into our communities, while outcompeting for food

Slovene ,

We killed them softly with this song.

intensely_human ,

We still do. They’re called psychopaths. It’s been a problem for so long that we’ve evolved an instinctual response to it.

The_Tired_Horizon ,
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Have we though? We still vote for them and populate the business rooms with them...

...my theory is different. I think this is evolutionary back to competition with similar species.

The_Tired_Horizon ,
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Back 4 million years the whole world really was a planet of the apes. So in some ways recognising something that wasn't your species, but looked like it might have avoided conflict, loss of territory, loss of food..

bjoern_tantau ,
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It's called "corpse". Often riddled with diseases.

MissJinx ,
@MissJinx@lemmy.world avatar

maybe hairless chimps too. Those things are crazy

drolex ,

They will rip your dick out, Jamie send that video of jacked hairless chimps

MissJinx ,
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Your dick, your face... they'll pretty much, as we say in my corner of the world, "Fuck your shit up"

Ragnarok314159 ,

Now, imagine the violence early human bought upon early chimps to become the dominant species but also make them shy away from us.

alcoholicorn ,

There's a difference between a few humans throwing some rocks at something's head and poking it with a sharp stick and what chimps do.

Ragnarok314159 ,

I think you missed the proverbial point. We likely slaughtered the chimps and put their heads on pikes. Chimps have nothing on the violence humans are capable of inflicting.

alcoholicorn ,

In scale? Yes. In brutality? Go look up chimp attacks.

feedum_sneedson ,

BUFFALKILL

alcoholicorn ,

Yeah the context is that many indigenous people depended on the buffalo for food.

It was basically the same as when Israel pours concrete down wells and burns olive groves that took centuries to get that productive. They knew for every buffalo they killed, an indian would starve.

That image is similar to the rooms full of luggage in Auschwitz in what it represents.

ours ,

Chimps kicked our weak asses off the trees. They should regret how that turned out for them.

School_Lunch ,

I remember a documentary about a famous northwest passage expedition that was never seen again. One of the inuit people they talked to during an investigation claimed they found a boat, and in the captain's quarters they found a body in the bed with a big smile on its face. That would be absolutely terrifying, but apparently that's what naturally happens to corpses when their lips and gums receed.

Kosta554 ,
@Kosta554@feddit.nl avatar

Damn, now i want to know!

OldManBOMBIN ,

sfl

Caboose12000 ,

You've just ruined my night. I screamed. My phone was like an inch from my face and I was all tucked into bed. That triggered something primaly unsettling for me. Thank you

OldManBOMBIN ,

You're welcome.

Caboose12000 ,

I trusted you

OldManBOMBIN ,

You were the best Blue.

Shard ,

Franklin's last expedition

FrostyCaveman ,

At least he died happy

Classy ,

"Oh for just one time, I would take the Northwest Passage..."

Grandwolf319 ,

Damn, got to listen to it now…

DevCat ,
@DevCat@lemmy.world avatar

It also covers those who are not biologically fit to be mates. Various conditions can appear as physical traits.

Amanuet ,

You're right though, as soon as someone dies, there's something not right at all about how they look. They don't look asleep, they look uncanny valley.

Dippy ,
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Or perhaps whatever animal killed your friend is still nearby. Maybe it's still hungry, or maybe it feels it's territory is still underappreciated.

Baizey ,

Its territory is underappreciated?

Dippy ,
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Yeah, some asshole walks through your territory, doesn't seem like it's being appreciated that the territory is yours

intensely_human ,

There might be a monster with hurt fee fees in the bushes

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