[Meta] It seems that feddit.de communities are moving to feddit.org, is it going to be the plan for this one too? Englisch

Seven , vor 8 Tagen

Even though feddit.org is largely a German instance, content in English is also welcome. I believe that this has already been included in the sidebar.

I would also like to mention that feddit.org was founded in conjunction with the Fediverse Foundation. This is a non-profit organization from Austria that runs various Mastodon instances. There is active and passive association work and also a larger team that takes care of hosting.

The current problems of feddit.de in particular are due to the fact that the load is spread over very few shoulders and some of these are currently unavailable.

passepartout , vor 9 Tagen

The size of this community alone shows the need for it. That said, feddit.org seems like a good new home for it since .org is a language neutral tld and the server is german AND English speaking after all.

petrescatraian , vor 9 Tagen

It would actually be kinda cool to have something like a feddit.eu server where communities from all across Europe/the EU can reside. But I am not against a move to .org either, except for the fact that they label themselves an English-German speaking community. I am not German. 😁

EvilCartyen , vor 9 Tagen

feddit.eu seems to be a one-person abandoned instance. To me, feddit.org seems like a fine place.

There's also !europe - but it seems to be exclusively francophone.

petrescatraian , vor 9 Tagen

@EvilCartyen wow, does this thing actually exist? Lol

Servais OP , vor 9 Tagen

There’s also !europe - but it seems to be exclusively francophone.

It is, the same way !europa was German speaking

EvilCartyen , vor 9 Tagen

Yes, and like feddit.dk is Danish-speaking. These language-specific instances make sense, and ideally we'd have a different instance for international communities like a europe-community. But, you know, beggars can't be choosers and so it seems like we need to make a suboptimal choice :)

Servais OP , vor 9 Tagen

I am not sure I got your comment right

Lemm.ee is an English speaking European instance that could host the !Europe instance.

It is different in that regard compared to feddit.dk, feddit.org, feddit.UK, jlai.lu, feddit.org, I don't think there is even an Estonian speaking community on Lemm.ee

All of the other instances named in the previous paragraph have a focus on their local language, lemm.ee does not.

EvilCartyen , vor 9 Tagen

I suppose :) I just like feddit.org - as a name - better than lemm.ee - but that's just my preference.

I suggest the mod of this community makes a decision and we do that.

Servais OP , vor 9 Tagen

The mod would actually prefer to step down: https://slrpnk.net/comment/9445371

petrescatraian , vor 9 Tagen

lemm.ee seems like a better choice indeed. But, you do you.

EvilCartyen , vor 9 Tagen

....so.... feddit.org? What's the alternative?

Servais OP , vor 9 Tagen

Lemm.ee

Parodper , vor 11 Tagen

What's the matter with this instance? I see that the main page doesn't load.

Servais OP , vor 11 Tagen

Feddit.de? The admin has been having issues, which is why they started https://feddit.org/.

You can see that in their sidebar

Wir sind eine deutschsprachige Lemmy Community und entwickelten uns aus feddit.de heraus.

Feddit.org dient als Reddit-Alternative im Fediverse.

neeeeDanke , vor 11 Tagen

Afaik the (sole) admin is inactive so the website wasn't fixed when it went down.

pleb_maximus , vor 11 Tagen

There's two actually. The second one hopped on board shortly before the first one went to Asia on some work (IIRC).
And the second one has trouble with the SSH-key and a case of RL-stuff going on.

copacetic , vor 11 Tagen

Web access doesn’t work for months now and the admin has disappeared.

poVoq Mod , vor 11 Tagen

This English speaking “europe@feddit.de” was always a bit out of place on a primarily German speaking instance. The same would be true for feddit.org, I guess. Maybe we should just depreciate this community and see if another English speaking Europe community takes over? As long as it isn’t the one on lemmy.ml (which has major moderation issues), I think I would be fine with that. I only stepped up moderating it on feddit.de because it was very active at the time and the previous mod stepped down.

CAVOK , vor 11 Tagen

This community is the biggest one by far. Shutting this would be bad IMHO. Is there a way to move it to another instance?

Servais OP , vor 11 Tagen (Bearbeitet vor 11 Tagen)

I agree. This one is definitely the most active one.

@poVoq, maybe lemm.ee can be an option? The .ee domain name suggests its' European, and all of the communities are English-speaking.

d_k_bo , vor 11 Tagen

lemm.ee seems to be hosted in the USA. I would very much prefer a european instance. lemmings.world and lemmy.cafe could be an option.

sunaurus , vor 11 Tagen

Hey, lemm.ee admin here - it's actually hosted in Finland!

Servais OP , vor 10 Tagen

Lemm.ee is hosted in Europe, that's why it hosts !yurop

ardorhb , vor 11 Tagen

I also think that choosing another instance as Feddit is a good idea. Also in terms of „supporting the concept of federation“.

So another not to big but also stable, european instance would be the perfect solution in my eyes.

Parodper , vor 11 Tagen

Is there a way to move it to another instance?

Hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

Servais OP , vor 11 Tagen

You can pin a message to a new one, and lock the old one down, that works for most of the people

Parodper , vor 11 Tagen

In that case mods should do that ASAP, to give enough time to people to notice it before the server shuts down.

Also should probably create the new community, lemm.ee doesn't seem to have one already.

poVoq Mod , vor 11 Tagen (Bearbeitet vor 11 Tagen)

There is /c/yurop@lemm.ee

Edit: the problem with lemm.ee is that their block-list lacks some instances that are likely to be problematic for this community specifically, as seen on the lemmy.ml equivalent.

DarkThoughts , vor 10 Tagen

Which ones?
feddit.org has at least hexbear and lemmygrad blocked. lemmy.ml is probably still a bit too big on some communities for many to outright block yet.

poVoq Mod , vor 10 Tagen

The community on lemmy.ml has the problem that there are some very persistent users that constantly post pro-Russian propaganda or similar mis-information to it, and the lemmy.ml admins refuse to appoint a new mod and seem to be generally fine with that. I certainly wouldn't want to moderate a similar community where Hexbear and Lemmygrad users have full access to like they would on lemm.ee. if fact I wouldn't even be able to as my home instance is defederated from these instances and thus such posts would be invisible to me.

DarkThoughts , vor 10 Tagen

I'm not saying to move to .ml, I'm saying it still has quite too many large communities for most instances to consider defederating from them. Personally I block all .ml communities manually since kbin / mbin does not have a universal instance blocking feature.

sunaurus , vor 9 Tagen (Bearbeitet vor 9 Tagen)

To be honest, neither Hexbear nor Lemmygrad has caused any noticable issues for lemm.ee. I recently compiled some stats for lemm.ee rule breakers by home instance, and as you can see in this post (in the "Administration" section), neither of those instances even made the top 10.

In general, mods haven't complained about those two instances either, and the stats for community bans by independent community mods are more or less very similar. If any users creates issues in a lemm.ee community, then the community mods are free to just ban those users, regardless of what instance their account is hosted on.

if fact I wouldn’t even be able to as my home instance is defederated from these instances and thus such posts would be invisible to me

Preventing such situations for lemm.ee mods is actually one of the many reasons we don't want to use defederation as a moderation tool on lemm.ee - we rather use site bans etc. Too much collateral damage with defederation, especially when dealing with larger instances which probably have vastly more innocent users than problematic ones. We reserve defederation for more extreme cases, like spam instances & CSAM.

Servais OP , vor 9 Tagen

Thank you for your input

Servais OP , vor 10 Tagen

There is /c/yurop@lemm.ee

Which is a laid back community, so no news, probably not a good replacement for !europe

onion , vor 11 Tagen

Afaik there are no plans to shut the server down

Servais OP , vor 10 Tagen

Even if the server keeps running, not being able to access the frontend is a bit worrying

benjhm , vor 11 Tagen

Is this intentionally english speaking, or does this just reflect the population of lemmy ?
I'd prefer a multilingual europe instance, ou chacun parle sa langue, para aumentar la diversidad.

poVoq Mod , vor 11 Tagen

I didn't create this community, but there is another German speaking "europa" community on feddit.de and this one was as far as I know always near 100% English.

DarkThoughts , vor 10 Tagen

I specifically voted for feddit.org with this community in mind during the name poll, because it was more international sounding than the other options.

poVoq Mod , vor 10 Tagen

If someone wants to create an English speaking Europe community on feddit.org I would certainly not be against it. Ultimatly it is up to the subscribers to decide where to go.

I pinned this thread in the community, so people can promote their proposed alternatives here.

DarkThoughts , vor 10 Tagen

So from that I gather that you personally do not have an interest in moving the community over to it.

Servais OP , vor 10 Tagen

To be fair, the whole sidebar of feddit.org is in German, and specifically mentions being German speaking

DarkThoughts , vor 10 Tagen

It's presumably mostly taken from the original feddit.de instance. Maybe something to talk to the admins about. Personally I think a European instance makes more sense than a purely German one.

Servais OP , vor 10 Tagen

Wir sind eine deutschsprachige Lemmy Community und entwickelten uns aus feddit.de heraus.

I doubt they took that from the feddit.de sidebar

DarkThoughts , vor 10 Tagen

I clearly meant the standard issue text below that... But since you're apparently here to look for pedantic arguments I'm gonna end it here anyway now.

Servais OP , vor 10 Tagen

Sorry if I came up as pedantic, I thought you hadn't seen that sentence

Ranslite , vor 9 Tagen

Hi, i am the one who wrote the sidebar. Yes i took the text from feddit.de as a template.

Servais OP , vor 9 Tagen

Thanks for the explanation

Servais OP , vor 10 Tagen

@admin, @BurningTurtle @Ranslite @surprised_pikachu, what do you think?

Is feddit.org a good place for an English speaking !Europe community, or do you prefer to keep the instance German speaking?

surprised_pikachu , vor 10 Tagen

thanks for bringing this up, we'll discuss this in the team and provide an answer soon

Servais OP , vor 10 Tagen

Danke!

BurningTurtle , vor 10 Tagen

I'm an admin. You're welcome to migrate over to us.

Servais OP , vor 10 Tagen

Thank you for your feedback! @poVoq FYI

poVoq Mod , vor 10 Tagen

I would much rather someone else takes over moderation, yes. Both because of various federated moderation bugs in Lemmy making it hard to moderate a community that isn't on your home instance and because I have way to many communities that I moderate already.

If needed, I would be willing to help with moderation, but not be the main moderator of such a new community.

Servais OP , vor 10 Tagen

To be honest, I didn't volunteer because it's a news community with a large audience. Debates can get nasty, and that's something I try to avoid.

I guess a lot of other people are in the same case, and why you were the only mod here

DarkThoughts , vor 9 Tagen

/r/europe became pretty much a Nazi cesspool and I feel on the fediverse it could quickly become a Tankie cesspool. I personally would not have nerves for that either. Would be sad to see this community die if the instance inevitably vanishes though.

Servais OP , vor 9 Tagen

The tankie cesspool is probably !europe

Hopefully there will be some people willing to moderate !europe, or !europe, it doesn't matter that much in the end