I had windows do a large update in the middle of an exam once. Like the major version number changes or something, took probably like an hour and a half. I was quite lucky with the exact timing and the fact that I am usually able to finish exams quickly as I did end up having half an hour for the exam, but it did make the whole situation a bit more spicy than necessary.
My favorite windows update was when I was attending an onsite coding competition hosted my Microsoft. We were all in this large meeting hall that looked like a theater, and we spent first 10 minutes or so at the start of the competition just looking at Windows update, with the Microsoft rep apologizing to us, because his pc decided to do the "Forced update restart you cant postpone any more" literally two minutes into the presentation
When we first got a conference camera we got the older Conference Cam 3000 and our boss made us put it up there against my suggestion. When it came down for the decorator, I put it back up but under the TV and no one complained and there it stayed! It eventually died and since I’m the boss now pretty much I replaced it with the Rally which I really like. But I’ve put the speakers on the table underneath rather than wall mount, with some good distance between.
Strange how this room looks similar to mine, minus the ceiling art.
If you put microphones into the table, the audio will be horrible, catching up any surface acoustic waves from any noise on the table. Like if someone touches the table anywhere, this will be caught by the microphone. If someone puts down a hard item to the table anywhere (e.g. a pen, fingertips with fingernails, smartphone) you won't be able to hear anyone in the room through microphones due to the transient noise.
The audio will not be horrible. Those mics are designed to be mounted into tables with a particular mount. They are padded underneath to eliminate that vibration. Also, the Rally Plus system is only looking for voice signatures and has some very good AEC built into it.
only if you have a shitty computer full of garbage. My windows updates only take 2 minutes or less. even feature updates only take about 4 minutes to reboot.
Windows is only shitty if you don't know how to use it. Just because you know what the buttons do doesn't mean you know how to use it.
You have to cut Microsoft some slack on mandatory updates. They're still traumatized from the XP era when they were the platform of choice for botnets and "Windows security" was a laughing stock.
Tbh, if Linux had the same user base as windows had back then a large amount of people would postpone any update indefinitely and we'd be in the same shit.
Yeah it's a different game when your user base is tech savvy and self-selecting. When you have to deal with a billion non-technical people you have to be a lot more protective.
But even so Linux seems miles ahead. It's Microsoft who should be the most motivated to add things like AppArmor, Flatpak, immutable system, curated app repos, executable as a filesystem attribute etc. They're doing none of that, they plateaued at UAC and bundling their own antivirus.
They tried. UWP and the Windows Store did loads to boost security and make the source of apps verifiable, but people hated it and barely used it, so the holes they were supposed to patch stayed open. The store itself did have the problem that part of its raison d'être was to try and take a cut of the sales of all software for Windows, like Apple do for iOS, and UWP made certain things a pain or impossible (sometimes because they were inherently insecure), but UWP wasn't tied to the store and did improve even though it's barely used.
This already exists. It's labeled as "Traverse folder / execute file" in the UI.
NTFS permissions are also more powerful than the default Linux permission system. Instead of just being able to define permissions for a single user and single group, you can define them for an arbitrary number of users and groups.
I say "default Linux permission system" because you can actually use ACLs on Linux (getfacl and setfacl commands), they're just not used by default. They used to be common in businesses and schools, but these days everyone seems to store their files "in the cloud" and the permissions are managed there instead.
curated app repos
This is what the Windows store is supposed to be. There's also WinGet, but I'm not sure if it's curated.
NTFS permissions are just needlessly complicated and convoluted and create more problems than they solve for desktop use. They're more for server use, but then again, so are ACLs on Linux. If Windows would just use simple permissions like Linux does, it'd be a hell of a lot better.
The Windows store is also a sandboxed, heavily restricted pile of trash you can't even get at for most of its apps. And Winget has so many issues from its install scripts not working right to just being outright broken that it's not worth using. Even flatpak installs can be easily modified and used normally.
The excuses for using obsolete Windows continues by its paid shills and brainwashed users. Give it up.
The Windows store is also a sandboxed, heavily restricted pile of trash you can't even get at for most of its apps.
They changed that around the tine Windows 11 was released. Regular Win32 apps can be listed in there.
NTFS permissions are just needlessly complicated and convoluted and create more problems than they solve for desktop use.
What's an example of a problem they create?
If Windows would just use simple permissions like Linux does
I don't think using an antiquated permission system from the 1970s is the solution to anything. Being able to set permissions for only a single user and single group is very limiting, especially when there's background processes that run as other users. There's a reason later revisions of POSIX added ACLs.
The excuses for using obsolete Windows continues by its paid shills and brainwashed users.
lol I'm not a paid shill nor a brainwashed user; I just see pros and cons for all operating systems. Linux-based OSes do some things better, and Windows-based OSes do other things better. Even MacOS has its pros.
Sorry, but it just works and is much simpler, direct, and useful for desktop systems than the rat's nest that is NTFS permissions that was created for big business use with several groups of people with different access needs even among the groups instead of just simple, effective permissions that works with desktops and regular servers.
Supporting Microsoft and Windows now is just an admission that you have ignored all of the bad decisions, laughable security, bad engineering, and marketing over technology trash Microsoft has delivered since day one. It's time to abandon Windows and use a real OS. There is no longer a "pro" for Windows now that they're trying to screw over their users from every single direction.
Absolutely, but unless you're on a rolling release, it still won't be that long. For example, my homelab ubuntu server didn't get updated for over a month, but when I finally did run updates it finished after no more than a minute.
Depends a bit on hardware and network speed though.
It shouldn't be an issue even on a rolling release. I mean it's not like it installs every intermediary version of every package, it just jumps to the latest versions no? At least that's how I imagine it works.
My Computers are all reasonably modern and decetly spec'd, resources should not be an issue. Ubuntu also ships with a lot more pre-installed packages than tumbleweed does, but I get your point.
Bullshit, paid Windows shill. Even a brand new, high end PC on a fast internet with a fresh (non-OEM full of crap) install of Windows takes LITERALLY SEVERAL HOURS to fully update and often even minor updates will take at least an hour depending on what's being updated.
Don't give me that shit. You know it's a lie. Windows is trash.
That is an MS Teams Room system in the conference room, it runs Windows IOT. Whoever manages those rooms should have set the working hours of the room so it didn’t apply this update during business hours. By default the system updates at 2 or 2:30 AM, I forget... so might be a weird MS bug or someone fudged up a config
Source - installed a lot of these a few years ago.
"Don't turn off" is the worst kind of status message.
When it eventually hangs for various reasons, you actually do need to turn off your pc for it to complete or to let it roll back in an error state.
When "just hang in there" is still present on the third day you'll start wondering why you bought that piece of furniture and won't mind the consequences of turning it off.
Not to defend Windows too much in a Linux community, but you can turn on verbose status messages for the screens you see during startup, shutdown, login and log off. It’s a setting that can either be turned on with the local or domain group policy, or by registry key.
Still though, it’s not as detailed as full console output, but is definitely more helpful than just telling you to wait.
In group policy (local or domain):
Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > System > Display highly detailed status messages
Also make sure that this policy is not set or set to disabled:
Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > System > Remove Boot / Shutdown / Logon / Logoff status messages
Instead of using local group policy you could use the registry:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System
"VerboseStatus"=dword:00000001
If you do it through registry, make sure this key is either non-existant or set to 0.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System
“DisableStatusMessages”
If you use Windows a lot, get used to the group policy editor. Your computer should have the local group policy editor on it. If you’ve never used it before, you’ll be surprised at how configurable Windows can be if you know where to look. They just don’t really give those options to the everyday user.
Thanks. That should also be fairly easy to automate. Might set it up as a powershell script so I have it on every Windows pc I am forced to use. Much appreciated kind stranger
The average user does not want to see that and does not need to see that. That’s how you end up with thousands of support requests of “why is my computer showing these errors?”
Things should be abstracted from the users by default. There’s no need for grandma to see a console output every time windows needs to update.
I disagree. I think that some aspects of the software should be open about what they're doing to everyone. Otherwise people just get used to the idea that everything is a black box that they have no real control of. It also helps educate people on IT and its concepts overall.
Even if they can't specifically tell what is going on, they can see something is going on. And as long as this does not make it harder to use, the more info the better.
