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crispy_kilt , an Europe in In the New Cold War, Europe’s Approach to China Is Already Outdated, Researchers Say

Good article, unfortunately it completely ignores India - a country whose sheer size, combined with Western technology, could balance China.

SuddenDownpour ,

And what does India think about that idea? As of today, they still don't care about Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and a fairly large chunk of them do still support supremacist policies.

crispy_kilt ,

They're currently highly nationalistic. Don't like China but don't want a committed alliance with the West either. Basically "India stronk"

Linkerbaan ,
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India doesn't just "not care" they actively supply Russia with weapons.

Amoxtli , (Bearbeitet ) an Europe in In the New Cold War, Europe’s Approach to China Is Already Outdated, Researchers Say

The comprehensive clarity of the lengthy statement goes beyond the mere reiteration of Putin’s talking points. It boils down to an explicit statement of intent – namely, Beijing’s intent to work with Moscow in undermining Europe’s security at a moment when the EU has communicated that Russia’s war against Ukraine is an “existential” threat to Europe.

Russia is not an "existential" threat to Europe. Russia is a threat to NATO expansion. Who is shooting missiles into whose territory? Who tried to sneak Aegis defense systems into expanding NATO in 2008? That same year, Georgia, and Ukraine were announced as the continuation of NATO expansion. Russia is not shooting missiles into NATO countries. The country that postures nuclear strike is a hint who is the defensive country. NATO is threatening Russia with conventional arms, not nuclear arms, because nuclear weapons are defensive in nature in global affairs; Pakistan has nuclear weapons, China has nuclear weapons, India has nuclear weapons. India and Pakistan are enemies. China and India are enemies.

Europe needs to quickly come to grips with a China that both openly supports Russia’s imperial war and works with Moscow to end NATO’s presence in Eastern Europe.

The Diplomat continues using the myth that this Ukraine conflict is the result of "imperialism". This conflict is to maintain the sovereignty of Russia in the face of its enemies. The conflict is about NATO expansion, not Russian expansion. Ukraine is the redline that Russia does not accept to be crossed. NATO, the EU, were fully aware of this expansion of NATO was to sow the seeds of conflict years before 2014. We have something called web archives and WikiLeaks that prove this narrative versus the false narrative of Western media. A spade is a spade.

0x815 OP ,

@Amoxtli, do yourself a favour a stay away from wherever you receive this stuff.

Amoxtli ,

Why? I follow the truth. I don't have the patriotic motivation to deny the truth. Some people are patriotic enough to risk a nuclear war, others are patriotic enough to bomb defenseless people, and sow conflict against non-threats. China and Russia are not threats to national security of Europe or the US, but if you want to them to be, keep treading on the same path.

Badeendje ,
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Follow the TRUTH(tm) as brought to you by the Ministry of truth.

If anything, China and Russia have shown themselves untrustworthy, belligerent and dangerous to their neighbors and above all geopolitical bullies.

Maybe you should venture a little outside of the ecosystem of news sites that are all smelling each other's farts.

brainrein ,

That’s US propaganda

Badeendje ,
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What is? Clashes (all the way up to sinking fisher vessels) within international water that china considers theirs? (The whole 9 dash line hupla).

Or the annexation of south Ossetia, Crimea and the vassalization of Belarus by russia?

brainrein ,

Everything we read about "us" and "them" is part of one side’s propaganda. That’s what I wanted to point out.

Every time I read about the "others" fighting against freedom and democracy (usually used as defining characteristics of "us") I know that the article or video is not worth putting attention to.

To just turn around the post I answered to would make exactly the same amount of sense:

Follow the TRUTH(tm) as brought to you by capitalism.

If anything, USA and the Western world have shown themselves untrustworthy, belligerent and dangerous to their neighbors and above all geopolitical bullies.

Maybe you should venture a little outside of the ecosystem of mainstream news that are all smelling each other's farts.

Badeendje ,
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Yeah.. no. Things like the nine dash line and invasions of neighboring countries can relatively easily be objectified.. either by seeing it happen or listening to the countries actually doing it yelling at the top of their lungs that they have the right to do that stuff.

LainTrain ,

Ok but in what way is Russia's sovereignty threatened by Ukraine wanting to and willingly democratically wishing to join NATO/EU?

That's the thing, NATO wasn't like conquering Ukraine etc., they wanted to join and they wanted to join the EU too, and I don't see what any of this has to do with Russia really.

Amoxtli , (Bearbeitet )

Since when did the US and NATO allowed sovereign governments to join anti-NATO and anti-US alliances? How is China an enemy? A nation that has at least 2,000 years of history, and does not have a colonial past the way Western countries had. China is the threat to US influence by de facto being a rising country that looks after its own interest. The US interferes all the time in other countries' politics. They interfered with Ukrainian politics and their elections. The US had involvement in the 2014 coup in Ukraine. What was Victoria Nuland doing on the ground in Ukraine, on vacation? The Russians have too much pride to let themselves be subservient to US interests the way EU countries are. Look at Germany, it tows the American line, and they're paying for it. Russia is not a threat to Germany. Russia is not at Germany's borders. You don't see T-90M tanks next door or missiles being aimed at them from next door. If Ukrainians respected democracy, they wouldn't have staged a coup against a democratic government. They banned Party of Regions. Why can't a country democratically vote to have economic ties with Russia? It is logical to have economic ties with your neighbors, even if you don't agree on things. Diplomacy is important. Democracy for thee, but not for me.

abbadon420 ,

I notice you accidentally used "democratically" and "russia"in the same sentence

Badeendje ,
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☝️ this post is brought to you by the Russian Ministry of Defence.

The abhorrent and disgusting amount of misinformation in this post is just mind boggling.

I just hope that our lawmakers in the EU finally act and curb the dependence on countries governed by totalitarian regimes.

Lemonyoda ,

The good Thing about Posts Like These ist, That you clearly know the one who pays for These Kind of Posts.

So, blocked.

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