StaySquared ,

Dare I say.. Democracy is a scam.

EmperorHenry ,
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Why am I "throwing my vote away" for voting third party?

lolcatnip ,

Go find one of the millions of times this has been explained already.

frobeniusnorm ,

Its always refreshing to look at the american political system if i am disappointed by the German one. Sure our sucks too, but at least we have more then 2 unvotable major parties.

NateNate60 ,

In the German system (or any other multiparty system), voters can effectively punish a political party without wasting their vote, because there is a lot of overlap between the parties.

If you don't like the current coalition but are a left-leaning person, you can vote for Die Linke. You might not agree with all of their positions but you at least can agree with some of them. Even if that is not palatable if you previously voted SDP you can switch your vote to Green or vice versa to punish the specific officeholders representing your constituency. If you voted for the FDP last time, maybe try Union next time. There are many ways to do this, and overall I think it makes the parties themselves more accountable to the voters because voters defecting their party list votes can drastically change the makeup of the Bundestag.

Similarly, right-leaning UK voters are punishing the Conservative Party by threatening to or actually voting for Reform candidates. Scots can punish the SNP by voting Labour.

You can't do this in the US. In the USA, the only recourse the voters have over the parties is to vote out undesirable candidates through primary elections so that the party cannot nominate them. This works alright, sometimes, but it is not an effective way to punish party leadership for bad decisions, and many primaries are uncompetitive anyway.

CptOblivius ,

There are two sides, but you can alter that a bit if you get your asses to the primaries.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Lol, my primary choices 2024:

Biden

Democrats completely gave up on local elections in a purple county because it's in a red state.

xlash123 ,
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Criticism of the comic aside, two party system is still definitely undesirable. I believe it is a side effect of first past the post voting. What we really should implement is ranked choice voting. It gets rid of the dumb "voting third party is voting for [opposite party]" argument by letting you vote for who you want guilt-free and falling back on your lower-ranked votes if #1 wasn't popular enough.

But you know, this will always meet resistance because politicians would lose their jobs for implementing this.

Liz ,

Let's break that shit up!

Approval voting and proportional representation! So long as we have single-seat elections using choose-one voting, we'll be stuck with two parties.

Sotuanduso ,
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I'm so glad to see more people around here realizing this.

NutWrench ,
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Yeah, subby. We get it. "Both sides are bad." But one side is boring corporatists who don't give a crap and the other side is 100% concentrated evil fascists, authoritarians and religious nutjobs. And while that's a choice between the lesser of two evils, it's not a difficult one.

uis ,
@uis@lemm.ee avatar

Corporations pay evil fascists to be evil fascist so you could choose "lesser evil"

TrickDacy ,

Sounds in no way like qanon level dipshittery

go_go_gadget ,

And while that’s a choice between the lesser of two evils, it’s not a difficult one.

There's other choices. Moderates and Biden could choose to compromise with leftists and progressives any time. But all signs point to them preferring to lose to fascists a second time.

tills13 ,

No, there are two choices. It sucks and nobody likes it but if you don't vote for a Dem you are giving a vote to a Rep. Cut the crap.

go_go_gadget ,

nobody likes it

Moderates like it just fine. They're happy continuing to elect awful pro-corporate, strike blocking, genocide supporting piece of shit candidates and then expecting leftists and progressives to support them in the general. If moderates didn't like it they would have voted for one of the many alternatives in the 2020 primaries.

You need to cut the crap. Stop lecturing leftists and progressives and giving moderates a free pass. Moderates are the majority voting bloc for Democrats and thus they take the lions share of the responsibility. Spend your effort lecturing them.

tills13 ,

I'm further left than you but anyone with a brain knows that it's a two party system and any vote for any other party is just pissing in the ocean. Find change inside the party with progressives but at the end of the day you (unfortunately) either vote blue or red or you might as well not vote at all.

go_go_gadget ,

You can call yourself whatever you want but if at the end of the day you vote like a moderate your beliefs make no difference.

CyberEgg ,

Minimum wage works. Here is an article from the german newspaper FAZ (leans economically right) that presents a study that shows the low income sector has shrunk since the implementation of minimum wages.
Germany before had one of the biggest low income sectors in the western world.
And no, the unemployment rate did not skyrocket. In fact, Germany is as close to full employment as it gets.

SpaceNoodle ,

I'm just here to watch the complete and total dumpster fire in the comments.

FenrirIII ,
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shyguyblue ,

Democrats keep trying to increase minimum wage, read a fucking News source.

olivebranch OP ,

Sure they do. Keep believing, any day now...

shiroininja ,

The problem is, we need caps on profit margins on necessities, and to stop the making of things we need for basic survival investment opportunities.

But that would be difficult to get done. So they go for the low hanging fruit of wages, which never permanently solve anything because they’ll just keep raising prices under this scamflation cycle we’ve been in since COVID.

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