zecg ,
@zecg@lemmy.world avatar

I know why I hate snap, no confusion here.

Rentlar ,

The one app I can't stand as a snap is firefox, it took a minute to navigate to the first webpage every time I start up. The rest are or more less fine I think, but flatpak meets my needs for most other applications.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Also command line tools are terrible as snaps. And the worst part is you have no idea why they won't work. It doesn't tell you that snap is the problem. It just doesn't work.

hperrin ,

It look me about two hours to realize that snap was the problem when I was trying to run Mastodon in a Docker container. That was the last straw before I moved to Fedora.

Snap can’t read anything outside of the /home directory, and there’s no way to fix that except changing the source code and recompiling it.

KISSmyOSFeddit ,

Upstart and Unity are waiting for you.

barsquid ,

I knew I'd find some receipts in here.

hperrin ,

Don’t forget Mir!

trxxruraxvr ,

They also called unity successful at some point

Successful_Try543 ,

Unity was a nice DE. Being on KDE since 12 years, I still miss some of its features, e.g. merging the menu items with the title bar.

trxxruraxvr ,

And yet they abandoned it.

acockworkorange , (Bearbeitet )

Yeah, I was pissed when they went away from it. It was great for small screen devices.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

At least you could use a different desktop if you didn't like it.

ptz ,
@ptz@dubvee.org avatar

I don't mind Snaps in a vacuum, but the unforgivable thing is that they messed with the package repo so that instead of installing a deb package as I intended, it installs a Snap stub which I did not want. If Canonical hadn't forced them on users in that way, I'd have been fine with them.

Instead, back to Debian I went (sorry I ever left, actually)

macattack ,

Personally, I use Debian and gravitate towards flat paks, but I'm starting to question whether this is just one of those hills Linux users arbitrarily choose to die on a la systemd/wayland? I suppose one of the advantages of an opinionated OS is a vast array of opinions

Adanisi ,
@Adanisi@lemmy.zip avatar

It's much worse.

The snap store is proprietary.

boredsquirrel ,
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

"But the Calamares versions have an install option without Snaps"

Well that also doesnt have a webbrowser and will install snaps the second you want one

MonkderDritte , (Bearbeitet )

So they have somewhere a dpkg hook but still install it if you toggle that option?

boredsquirrel , (Bearbeitet )
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

It is the same thing. Just that base Ubuntu supposedly doesnt have snap, but sudo apt install firefox installs snap and then snap firefox.

So not sure why the base install doesnt have snap, but it mailny lacks FF and TB which are only available as snap and will automatically pull snap in.

zecg ,
@zecg@lemmy.world avatar

You should add a PPA before installing so it has a source for non-snap Firefox

jnk ,

Either that or stop babysitting canonical and use debian instead

RustyNova ,

I hate snaps, but NextCloud snap is way easier to than the other methods, so it gets a pass... Only one

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Over docker compose? You just apply the file and you are good to go.

RustyNova ,

You still need to install NextCloud next. Then if you are on a home lab you'll probably need a reverse proxy too

On Ubuntu it's just install > go to config > whitelist all urls

PseudorandomNoise ,
@PseudorandomNoise@lemmy.world avatar

I'd be curious to see some statistics on how many Ubuntu users removed snaps vs how many haven't changed the default.

MotoAsh ,

I remove that abomination every chance I get.

Petter1 ,

I’d bet most ubuntu user don’t know the difference between snap and deb, tho.

smeg ,

Exactly, wouldn't most of the people who really care already have moved on from Ubuntu?

db2 ,

The reddit Steve method

captainjaneway ,
@captainjaneway@lemmy.world avatar

I didn't until apps started breaking. The snap version of steam, Firefox, and Unity (I think?) all started to have issues. When I googled around people would often ask "deb or snap"? I uninstalled the snap packages and installed the deb packages and most of my issues went away.

I ultimately switched to Linux Mint because I kept having stability issues and I was just desperate for a solution. But snap was not a great experience for me.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

It would of been a little less bad if they hadn't forced it on everyone over night. It also didn't help that it had a ton of complexity and overhead.

I didn't use Flatpak for the longest time as I was scared from years prior.

DuckGuy ,
@DuckGuy@mander.xyz avatar

I removed it and it was a pain.

muntedcrocodile ,

I mean I used to used to use Ubuntu for my server now I use Debian cos fuck snaps.

cyborganism ,

Ow! My brain!

Ensign_Crab ,

So I didn't realize that the snaps logo is an origami bird.

"It was like a piece of self-opening origami, or a rosebud blooming into a rose in just a few seconds. Where just a few moments earlier there had been a smoothly curved black disk, there was now a bird. A bird, hovering there." - Douglas Adams, describing the Hitchhiker's Guide, Mk. II, from Mostly Harmless.

A bit on the nose there, Canonical.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

The other day I tested Ubuntu just to see if it had gotten any better. It has become worse.

barsquid ,

Same, I used to always pick Ubuntu to spin up servers. Now I pick it never.

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Same, Debian is the way to go (for servers, I can't stand it on desktop)

Rustmilian , (Bearbeitet )
@Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

It's not that successful if the userbase hates it and would rather use a competitor.

friend_of_satan ,

For me it was a successful deterrent. Debian bookworm has been wonderful.

Whayle ,
@Whayle@kbin.social avatar

I installed mint on my second PC, and it's great. I feel like migrating my main, but I'm not sure it would go smoothly. I've had a lot of issues with my four months old Ubuntu install, lately the keyboard is nonfunctional at the login screen about half the time. Snaps are another reason making me want to leave it behind.

Zink ,

I found out I could dual boot Linux at work and went right for Mint. I think it’s great. It’s a nice pragmatic choice for people like me who love using Linux and are constantly in a bash prompt, but who don’t want to build up a system from scratch and who are fine not running the very latest.

It’s even downstream from some of the most popular distros out there, but without Canonical’s controversial shit.

TimeSquirrel ,
@TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

Yeah I love it, Debian feels like opening a featureless gray box that just says "OS" on the front. Add whatever you want. A blank canvas. It's as close to "generic" Linux as you can get.

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