Zozano

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Zozano ,

I'm critical of all religions.

However, in the past ten years, there is a pattern of violence against people who are critical of Islam.

There isn't another religion I'm scared of criticising publicly.

Zozano ,

I think saying "religion of peace" is about as much of a dog whistle as "there's no hate like Christian love".

Obviously, not all Christians are overtly judgemental assholes, and not all Muslims are terrorists.

The ones who suffer most from Islam, are the Muslims who live under its theocracy, whether they realise it or not.

Zozano ,

One of the biggest failures of the left is its reactionary defence of Islam (as a religion).

Any honest criticism of Islam is branded Islamophobia (similarly to how any criticism of Israel is conflated with antisemitism).

Regardless of whether one wants to blame the Quran, or the cultures of Muslim communities - the fact remains that people get killed in non-Muslim majority countries for trivial shit.

I could draw a picture of Jesus sucking off Joseph Smith and I don't need to worry about Mormons coming to kill me.

Zozano , (Bearbeitet )

You cannot say they are equally high when:

12 people were killed for publishing a cartoon of Muhammad.

A teacher was beheaded for showing a drawing of Muhammad.

Cartoonist drew Muhammad, leading to Danish embassies being attacked and riots broke out and people died. Later, people broke into his house to try to kill him.

Cartoonist had to live under police protection because of threats.

Creators of South Park were threatened for including Muhammad in an episode of the show.

These were just a few from the FIRST PAGE of a search engine, AND outside of Muslim majority countries.

If you still think there's an equal chance of violence against you, then I dare you to draw Muhammad and publish it with your real name.

!don't actually do this, I don't want to be responsible for anyone dying.!<

This is before even considering every other 'provocation', leading to incidences like:

Salman Rushdie being stabbed on stage

A teacher forced into hiding for showing a picture of mahammad

Zozano ,

Do you think there's an argument to be made that Boeing's aeroplane failures are overrepresented in media?

What a stupid thing to say.

I don't need to crunch any numbers; the links are right there, the murderers EXPLICITLY state they did it because the person insulted their religion.

I challenge you to find me more than one example of a murder which was deliberately invoked because someone insulted a holy person from another religion over the last ten years.

Zozano ,

I was never arguing against media bias, so, whatever I guess.

Zozano ,

You're missing the forest for the trees.

There are thousands of murders caused by right-wing ideology (Islam is also a right-wing ideology), but the difference is nobody is trying to kill me because I say Nazis are bad, or Trump is a dickhead.

And about Boeing... The failures are not vastly overrepresented, they are represented exactly as they are. If a car manufacturer had as many faults as Boeing, then yes, they would get equal airtime. In this analogy, wouldn't it be fucking insane if people were being killed for criticising Boeing?

Zozano , (Bearbeitet )

Demonstrate it then? Show me an example of someone attempting to kill another because they drew a comic of Trump or Hitler, or were critical.

I don't have a right-wing media bubble. Only one of those articles was from a right-wing news outlet, but that doesn't make it false.

Yes, Boeing whistleblowers suspiciously died recently, and people are noticing, and are being critical of Boeing, as they should - and that's a good thing.

Zozano ,

Killing people for drawing comics IS right-wing motivated murder.

And no, its not moving goal posts because it's the example I've been giving this whole time to illustrate the insanity on display.

I did however offer you a slight concession when I said "or were critical".

Here's the thing, you cannot provide examples which are comparable to the insanity being projected by Islamists.

Zozano ,

Now, I don't believe you're arguing in good faith.

Skin colour is not just skin colour, it has implications about ethnicity, which is agreeably insane, but the whole point I've been arguing about is that I am critical of all religions.

heres a link so you dont imply im movong goalposts.

Can you provide any examples of any other religions, outside of their religious-majority countries, where their followers act as extremely, for as small of a reason?

Zozano ,

I think a lot of people give Mao a bad wrap.

For what it's worth, Stalin is a monster, and the state of China right now is repugnant.

Mao didn't intentionally lead tens of millions of people to starve in the same way Stalin did. Mao was trying to revolutionise agriculture (The Great Leap Forward) but didn't understand the ecological and logistic principles required.

I'm convinced his intentions were good, he just wasn't educated enough to implement something like this.

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