How fucking dumb. They’re actively at war with Ukraine and really the rest of the Western world, they’ve made themselves a legitimate target, they’re attacking inside of Kyiv on a daily basis. Fuck them and let Kyiv attack them anywhere they need to.
At least they made sure to highlight the rally is anti-muslim. It's just funny following the reporting on the incident so far, as everyone saw the video, how obvious is the bias and tiptoeing around the fact that this was a religiously motivated attack against "anti-islam" activists. But due to the mental gymnastic that does not fit the narrative of doctors and engineers migrants.
The people the guy attacked were Nazis. The are not anti-Islam activists, they are Nazis. This is not an anti-Muslim rally, this is a Nazi rally.
Shtop right there, do you have a loicense for that gigantic hyperbolic lie sir? Like serious define your view of "Nazism" for me, if I want to stretch beyond a national movement, I would say probably islamophobic or xenophobic, but then again that says nothing much, but you know what, islamophibia would have saved that cop's life in retrospect.
Because they are literally anti-Nazis. Funnily enough, they see Islam as Nazism due to Sharia being close to a lot of tenant of Islam (superiority, discrimination, etc ...), and their activity was mainly protesting anti-jihad islamization. So how is this bad again? Explain this to an ex-muslim please. Luckily there are videos showing clearly what happened so even if you want to still live in denial at least no one will believe your delusional take hopefully, and equating killing someone and stabbing with dogwhisling is absolutely nuts. I would prefer to be dogwhistled any day over getting stabbed.
I only see a lot of mental gymnastics to make it sound like Michael Stürzenberger would be somehow a good guy? He is a convicted extremist e.g. for incitement to hatred, who was under surveillance for plotting to overthrow democracy for many many years. He held up pictures of Goebbels among other things.
The way you phrase it is so biased to make the guy look like he's the worst evil person ever.
So I looked him up, and here is what I gathered:
He staunch anti-islam (kudos from me, as ex-muslim, he 100% onto something).
His activism centered around exactly this cause and has been attacked many times by Muslims, funny enough your people care more about "words" but actual violence? That's fine as long as it's against "hate". The funny thing is that these incidents targeted against him, makes his case even stronger: Islam is a violent religion that does not tolerate any criticism and is incompatible the open German/western society, that thrives on improvement.
So the guy's experience, and especially the recent incident, just confirm what he's preaching, Islam preaches violence against those who criticise it, and is incompatible with western culture and if it grows would present a threat to Germany. Christianity is the largest religion in Germany, yet, you rarely ever hear about violent attacks against its critics. There sure must be a reason, no? And before you jump on the "muh racism bandwagon", skin color has nothing to do with it. It's its religious culture of death, because in Islam, it's an honor to die fighting the kuffar for your Allah, so you can get a better placement in heaven and of course those 72 houris. Germany failed at assimilating lots of refugees that came in the last 10 years, and it's effects are showing.
He held up pictures of Goebbels among other things.
Below his wikipedia:
In May 2013, Stürzenberger was acquitted for the charge of having shown a poster with an image and quote of Heinrich Himmler at a demonstration to prove the similarity between Nazism and Islam.[31] He was sentenced to a fine of 800 euros in July 2013 for insulting a police officer by telling him to "Ach, leck mich doch am Arsch",[32] and to 2,500 euros in 2014 for calling Islam a "cancer" on the Politically Incorrect blog, for which he was acquitted in 2017.[33] He was sentenced to a four months conditional prison sentence and 960 euros in 2015 for saying that all Muslims are potential terrorists at a Pegida rally,[34] and to a suspended sentence of half a year in prison in November 2017 for sharing a photo on Facebook of a ranking Nazi shaking hands with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Amin al-Husseini.[35] In December 2017 he was sentenced to a fine of 2,400 euros for incitement to hatred, after he spoke of an "invasion" from the Islamic world at a Pegida event in 2015.[36]
Oh so they advocate for another holocaust? Somehow I doubt theyre actually nazis. Methinks this is another case of anyone right of Stalin is considered a nazi.
Yes they are Nazis and the Nazis in Germany have met in secret to plot deporting people to Africa that are not German enough, this includes German citizens whose blood is not pure enough according to their definition.
I honestly don’t understand this comment section. The leader of these people is a convicted extremist who was under surveillance for many many years. He is a nazi and wants to overthrow democracy.
On the other hand there was a Muslim bystander trying to stop the guy, a Muslim police officer stopping the guy and a Muslim paramedic treating the attacked. I wonder why you don’t care about that being mentioned.
The guys he stabbed want to deport him to afghanistan (they want to send all migrants back to where they came from), i'd want to stab anyone who tried to send me to afghanistan. I don't agree with the stabbing, but i think it sort of makes sense from a general self defense perspective.
Right, so if I understand you correctly, Germans don't stab people. What do we do to kill someone then? Gas them or start a world war? The offender ought to really used Zyklon B
The german right wing Party AFD have or at least had connections and i think some payment with russia. Some oft thr AFD folks even got asked to come to russia as "democratic experts" for the last election.. Such a fucked up party
Russia isn't pro Islam. Russia is funding everything that could cause trouble for the west. Actually it wouldn't surprise me if Russia funded both sides just to create conflict.
Because the reasons are the last thing you should report on in a terrorist attack?
Getting their word out is literally the entire reason they did a terrorism, publicizing that info is literally assisting the terrorists.
As far as responsible reporting should be concerned, all terrorists are of the same cloth, scum, and they can all die mad together about all being seen as the same.
Its a very specific cloth theyre cut from, and that cloth has made it clear what the plan is. I feel like noting its muslim is part of reporting the news.
They mentioned a possible Islamist motive. Which is an important distinction to make because the Westboro Baptist Church doing something is not the same as some random Christian doing something.
Investigators earlier said the suspect was an Afghan citizen who had been resident in Germany for around a decade. He had no criminal record and had not come to law enforcement's attention in the past, they said.
The suspect was eventually shot by police. As of Saturday evening, he was alive but in the hospital and in no fit state to be interrogated, according to investigators. As a result, they said, his motives and the reason for his attack required further investigation.
Not from there, but didn't he shove a ton of austerity down the French people's throat, like raising the retirement age? There were big protests and stuff
Exactly this. He's a corpocrat, which is a big no-no in the french public eye. Also, he has more of an assimilation instead of integration style in regards to immigration politics, so he's right leaning as well. Doesn't help that the left doesn't have any candidates that anyone can take seriously.
I genuinely believe that he will go down in history as our Thatcher. He has been in government for roughly 10 years now and everything he did was to destroy the fabric of the French social system.
A few things he did :
He raised the age of retirement, against the advice of many people more knowledgeable than him, and people's will. Even against what employers unions wanted, that's to say something.
He has reduced the length of unemployment and is planning to reduce it further
He gave the rich massive tax cuts
He gave big corpos massive subsidies
He and his government are often siding with the far right to vote on some issues
He is cutting taxes left and right and then is wondering where all the money has gone
He massively increased our deficit
Repression is on the rise
He's given the legion d'honneur to Total's CEO and to Bezos
His environment policies are pretty much inexistant
He is always siding with big corpos and industrial farming on pretty much every issue
He and his government are openly supporting Israel
He is also often caught saying one thing and doing the opposite (most recent example: trying to fight far right ideas and then his prime minister debates the secretary of RN on a public service channel, a few days away from European elections in which that dude is about to get majority. Like, what the fuck?)
I could go on and on but you get the gist. People are tired, all the protests are violently repressed, except a few that usually are organised by the far right. People are getting poorer, our school system is crumbling, our healthcare too and the country is visible getting more authoritarian by the day. But we have a few more billionaires and the ones that were already there are richer than ever.
I genuinely don't mean this in a nasty way: I think you need more experience in talking to actual human beings face to face. The misunderstanding you have here is probably down to rusty communication skills.
If you read that comment and thought they were saying that it's fine when Russia attacks Ukraine, so long as it's done from within Ukraine using shorter range missiles, then you need to touch some grass, speak face to face with some actual humans, and discover how people talk, because any normal person wouldn't interpret that comment that way.
Krah, in a weekend interview with Italian newspaper La Repubblica, said that someone who had been a member of the SS paramilitary force in Nazi Germany was "not automatically a criminal".
No that's impossible. The (there only ever was the SS, not an number of them) SS was the paramilitary arm of the NSDAP, the political party of Hitler. And it was dissolved with the Third Reich before the Grundgesetz was adopted.
Great news, let's hope that both the next generation tank and the next generation plane will work.
Unfortunately, we need some weapon, and I am rather having a sovereign weapon industry than buying them to a foreign power.
I am curious about how much the AI and laser techology are a buzz word rather than a new technology. I can't imagine modern tank not using laser to measure distances or having any form of image/data processing software
Seeing the impact drone warfare has on Ukraine battlefields, I can imagine lasesrs being used as drone defense systems. Many drones have sensor equipment near their front that can be interfered by lasers which is easier than shooting down the drone with conventional AA fire.
Regarding AI and how much aiming weapons is computerized nowadays... Yeah, I'd guess AI is a publicity thing here.
No, you see, what Ukraine is meant to do is bunker up so Russia can just send in the meat grinders and win by attrition. It’s not fair if they fight back.
I don't think the Kremlin can win by attrition like they have in the past. They're burning through USSR stockpiles and not replacing them, they're in the middle of a demographic crunch even without the war, and the last mobilization was deeply unpopular.
This isn't the USSR, it's just a corrupt, isolated, shrinking Russia being dragged into a barbaric war by their Mafia leaders in the Kremlin.
There’s much more than that a pattern of systemic discrimination against Muslims in the Western world that resembles anti-Semitic conspiracy theories before the Nazi time. It’s very scary.
It’s perfectly fine to be critical of all religions. What’s not fine of course is violence from any side. However, this „religion of peace“ comment is just a very common dogwhistle used by the far right to imply that being a Muslim makes you a violent and dangerous person per se.
Oh, I'm far from far right. I'm actually slightly left and I mean the real left, not the American one. I don't think that being a muslim means you're a terrorist. I just don't see any other group committing so many murders in Europe. And very explicitly in the name of islam.
I don't hide from facts when they don't suit me. Prove me wrong and I'll happily publicly apologize.
feddit.de has had massive database problems for like 2 months now. It's not accessible via the default web interface, only via third party (web)apps. It's very likely that moderation of feddit.de communities has been increasingly difficult for the mods.
One of the biggest failures of the left is its reactionary defence of Islam (as a religion).
Any honest criticism of Islam is branded Islamophobia (similarly to how any criticism of Israel is conflated with antisemitism).
Regardless of whether one wants to blame the Quran, or the cultures of Muslim communities - the fact remains that people get killed in non-Muslim majority countries for trivial shit.
I could draw a picture of Jesus sucking off Joseph Smith and I don't need to worry about Mormons coming to kill me.
Right so you're answering the argument that killings by muslim are overrepresented in media by quoting search engine results?
If you actually want factual numbers you'd need to take a look at the criminal data from you country.
Do you think there's an argument to be made that Boeing's aeroplane failures are overrepresented in media?
What a stupid thing to say.
I don't need to crunch any numbers; the links are right there, the murderers EXPLICITLY state they did it because the person insulted their religion.
I challenge you to find me more than one example of a murder which was deliberately invoked because someone insulted a holy person from another religion over the last ten years.
Yes, Boeing's failures are vastly overrepresented in media if you compare it deaths caused by cars for example. It's really stupid to be afraid of Boeing planes, but not of cars.
And there are litterally thousands of murders caused by right-wing ideology, which is almost indistinguishable from extremist islamism. Look up some actual data on that and you will see that this is a much bigger danger in "non-muslim majority" countries. But you probably don't care because you are personally not their target 😑
There are thousands of murders caused by right-wing ideology (Islam is also a right-wing ideology), but the difference is nobody is trying to kill me because I say Nazis are bad, or Trump is a dickhead.
And about Boeing... The failures are not vastly overrepresented, they are represented exactly as they are. If a car manufacturer had as many faults as Boeing, then yes, they would get equal airtime. In this analogy, wouldn't it be fucking insane if people were being killed for criticising Boeing?
Demonstrate it then? Show me an example of someone attempting to kill another because they drew a comic of Trump or Hitler, or were critical.
I don't have a right-wing media bubble. Only one of those articles was from a right-wing news outlet, but that doesn't make it false.
Yes, Boeing whistleblowers suspiciously died recently, and people are noticing, and are being critical of Boeing, as they should - and that's a good thing.
Now it suddenly needs to be the very specific case of drawing a comic 🙄 You are moving goalposts, because you can't deny that there have been a lot of right-wing motivated murders.
Now, I don't believe you're arguing in good faith.
Skin colour is not just skin colour, it has implications about ethnicity, which is agreeably insane, but the whole point I've been arguing about is that I am critical of all religions.
Can you provide any examples of any other religions, outside of their religious-majority countries, where their followers act as extremely, for as small of a reason?
You are literally ignoring what I am saying. I've answered to the thread where you were answering the argument of mentally insane people kill as much as islamists, but the latter are more represented by the media by searching for headlines on a search engine. Nothing else, I've not actually challenged the argument of islamists completely overreacting at people insulting their believes.
Though just to clarify, while sceptism toward religion is always warranted, insulting someone's believes is arguably a no-go as well.
But you're obviously on a slippery slope towards the right. There have been plenty of violent attacks on politicians in the past few months in Germany alone. And they didn't even have to say anything against the attackers ideology
One of the mods banned be because of a disagreement. Don't be surprised if I don't reply after this (means I got banned again) So I'm replying here:
I guess we're just talking past one another.
I am not talking about how represented Islamic terrorism is, at all - whether it is reported in the news or not, it's besides any point I'm making.
It simply is a fact that murdering due to drawing cartoons is not a life or death matter for any other religious group (or any other claims, like Muhammad being a paedophile).
No one bothered to report this and/or federated reports are broken so that I didn't get any reports. But don't complain about the lack of moderation if you don't report things you think should be moderated.
I reported quite a bit. I assume it’s because of the federation thing then. I wasn’t aware of that.
There’s not only subtle dogwhistles like this one that are commonly used in social media to imply that being a Muslim automatically makes you violent and dangerous.
But there’s also a guy in another thread arguing that the far right extremist Michael Stürzenberger is indeed a good guy. He got attacked with a knife, something I don’t support. But Stürzenberger is certainly a Nazi who got convicted e.g. for incitement to hatred and who got observed by the authorities for being an enemy of democracy.
Those are the facts, when I pointed that out, said person got offended and said that I’m very biased. Another person also got offended that I called the guy a Nazi. You may think it’s opinion vs opinion but some of the stuff they posted and I reported was just straight misinformation.
The mere fact that there’s several people in here who know this insignificant group and want to defend it shows me that this community is already being infiltrated by Nazis.
You may think I’m panicking or biased or whatever but I know the situation in Germany quite well and if these people show up you have limited time until they drive away all your normal users.
Yeah I hear you, I always vote but it is my first time voting in a European election. I never thought it was that important untill now. I vote Groen Links and will do today as well.
Good job! ❤️ I voted for Partij voor de dieren. I read that with so many far right parties gaining power, there is a big chance of them now also being voted into european parliament. Its terrifying.
The AfD didn't just ban their candidate number 1 (Maximilian Krah) from campaign events but candidate number 2 (Petr Bystron) as well. He's been accused of accepting bribes from Russia. Meanwhile, one of Krah's staffers has been arrested for spying for the People's Republic of China.
Macron was the leader that was being mocked for trying to keep talking to Putin and trying to find a way to talk through the crisis.
This reversal in posture I think is extremely telling of how far gone the Russian leadership is... When even your best interlocutor turns away, even more when they turn hardliner against you, that means they have seen something that has deeply deeply shaken them.
I am fairly sure there are pretty intelligent supporters of fast-right leaders (too). And I think there are two angles here: One is how much you let irrational fears and bad instincts take ahold of you, the other is whether you are going out for personal gain.
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