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Petter1 , an linuxmemes in Don't try this at /home

According to /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/home.conf, /srv might end up nuked too.

Nice. 🤣

MonkderDritte , an linuxmemes in Don't try this at /home

systemd-tmpfiles not found

user224 , an linuxmemes in Don't try this at /home
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

"Every file is temporary and only nothing itself is eternal."

-SystemD

Hupf ,

You're forgetting about the 10th Rule of Acquisition

Thorry84 ,
Hupf ,

systemd-tmpfiles, inspecting /home/jaromil/: There's nothing in here but worthless furry porn!

ozymandias117 , an linuxmemes in Don't try this at /home

Yeah, that’s bizarre. I’d never have guessed /home was created by tmpfiles

renzev ,

I'm so confused, why does there need to be a daemon that creates /home? Can't you just make it at install time and assume it's always there? Is this made for ramdisk / immutable distros or something?

laurelraven ,

Because SystemD must do all and will not rest until GNU/Linux becomes SystemD/Linux

renzev , (Bearbeitet )

Things like this are why I don't put systemd on my machines. It's too complicated for me. Too many things going on. I've moved away from mac os to linux specifically to avoid weird over-engineered solutions, I want to be able to understand my system, not just use it!

EDIT:

SystemD/Linux

We're not there yet with systemd, but I would argue that Alpine Linux qualifies as "busybox/Linux" lol. It's literally just the kernel, busybox, openrc, and a package manager stapled together. It's so minimalist that it barely even exists! I love that distro so much!

laurelraven ,

Honestly, the only reason I'm not using a non-SystemD distro is this is my first time actually going all in and having larger communities to help with issues plus just trying to force myself to learn it since it seems like it's not going away

But yeah, I'm not a fan.

Working through a networking issue right now and the layers of obfuscation SystemD adds, especially with JournalD, leaves me not really sure where to even look

It is tempting to say screw it and load up Gentoo on my desktop though

renzev ,

Gentoo seems fun, I wanna try it some day. I would also recommend Void if you're looking for a distro with a boring old binary package manager (it's what I use on my laptop). Although the package list in Void is rather barren, I would recommend installing Flatpak to help fill in the gaps for some of the missing packages. There's also Alpine if you wanna go balls deep into the minimalism rabbithole. What makes Alpine so difficult is that it's a musl libc distro, so anything that needs glibc (i.e. any "serious" gui application) needs to run through a compatibility layer like gcompat or flatpak. Void is available in both glibc and musl libc flavours.

The community aspect can definitely be a big hurdle. Most of the time if you search for something like "<description of your issue> ubuntu", you can more or less blindly copy-paste the commands from the first result and it will work. With niche distros, you have to be able to interpolate instructions aimed at other distros and actually understand what you're doing. That why I would never recommend a non-systemd distro to someone who's new to linux.

By the way, what's your network issue? I'm no expert, but maybe I can try to help?

laurelraven ,

It seems to be an issue with using a 5.8 gigahertz WiFi endpoint, which has worked fine up until a couple days ago when it started dropping packets going outside my local network: I could watch a continuous ping start failing for a couple minutes while using Synergy to control my laptop that was connected to my work VPN without issue, so it only seemed to be an issue routing outside my network, which is really weird. Switching to the 2.4 gigahertz channels seems to have fixed it entirely.

What I need to do is look up the JournalD commands to be able to read the logs correctly and find what I'm after... Might also spin up a VM to see if that goes out at the same time, would be interesting if the VM can still work while the host is dropping packets...

renzev ,

So switching to a slower wifi AP causes packets destined for outside of your network to not be dropped? That sounds like one of those cursed issues that's a complete nightmare to track down lol. Maybe the faster speed of the 5.8ghz network is causing your router to get overwhelmed or something? Does the same issue happen if you connect via ethernet? I don't really know what else can cause this, I hope you can get it fixed!

laurelraven ,

Since my other systems were unaffected, I'm pretty sure it's something on my PC, possibly an update for the Wi-Fi drivers introduced a bug that affects the 5.8 channels

It's been stable since switching so it's more academic at this point, I have no burning need to be connected to the 5ghz channels

dan ,
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They changed systemd-tmpfiles to create stuff other than tempfiles a while back, but for whatever reason they never renamed it to better describe what it does.

Gallardo994 , an linuxmemes in Don't try this at /home

systemd-rmrfhomed at your service

lambalicious , an linuxmemes in Just imagine...

This is potterdung's ultimate plan.

lord_admiral , an linuxmemes in Just imagine...
@lord_admiral@lemmy.world avatar
vinyl ,

What?

Nutteman , an linuxmemes in Just imagine...
@Nutteman@lemmy.world avatar

Explain this to a really new linux user (me lol)

Uebercomplicated ,

Explain this to a long-time runit user... (Seriously, I'm lost)

ssm ,
@ssm@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Explain this to an OpenBSD rc user (there's no OpenBSDMemes)

MigratingtoLemmy ,

Imagine if systemd was ported as the Windows init manager. (Memes about systemd being inspired by Windows with its bloat).

edinbruh ,

Systemd was actually a "clone" of apple's launchd. Similarities with windows arise from the fact that it makes sense to manage services in certain ways on modern OSs. Also services on windows are completely different from Linux and MacOS, they are even a different executable file format, not a normal exe.

MigratingtoLemmy ,

I know lol. It was a joke, although I do think that in theory leaner systems like Runit are better. But I cannot dismiss some of the innovation/work done in systemd

Uebercomplicated ,

Thank you!

Petter1 ,

Most distros use systemd to manage deamons (mini apps that run in background / sevices) like e.g. Bluetooth.

(those stuff you have to enable sometimes (systemctl enable my-new-app.service)

You can use systemd-manager to check it out using a GUI

This meme tells „imagine if windows would port Systemd to windows. Winsvc stands for Windows Service

jaromil OP ,
@jaromil@fed.dyne.org avatar

also the creator of systemd went to work at mikrosoft

Petter1 ,

😮did not know that

PlexSheep ,

Wait there is a GUI for SystemD? I had no idea

Petter1 ,

It is old, but it does not look bad in my opinion 😁 it is such a good overview, I don‘t know why KDE does not include it in its settings

flying_sheep ,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

No, but one for systemd

PlexSheep ,

Is that actually different? My phone autocorrected it like that.

maeries ,

Linux is case sensitive, so yeah

MonkderDritte ,

The argument of Systemd being more and more like Windows-behind-the-hoods.

possiblylinux127 , an linuxmemes in Just imagine...
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

That would actually be interesting. I wonder if you could use the React OS kernel to run all kinds of software

cygnus , an linuxmemes in Just imagine...
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

Linux Subsystem for Windows, my beloved

lightnegative ,

First version: attempt to reimplement the windows API on top of Linux

Second version: give up and embed Windows inside a VM

Voroxpete ,

Wait, wut?

lightnegative ,

He said Linux Subsystem for Windows, which I took to mean the opposite of Microsoft's Windows Subsystem for Linux

(for reference, look at the difference between WSL1 and WSL2)

Voroxpete ,

Ah. Whoosh on me I guess.

joyjoy , an linuxmemes in systemd service refuses to swim: afraid of drowning in dependencies

Meanwhile everyone still using NetworkManager instead of systemd-networkd in desktop systems because there's no GUI yet. It works great in containers and wsl.

Lightfire228 ,

I would use it, if KDE plasma would support it in their settings GUI

mogoh , an linuxmemes in systemd service refuses to swim: afraid of drowning in dependencies

Something wrong with resolved and journald?

yamapikariya ,
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No idea but based on the meme I can guess that systemd like run0 more than the other 2 one of which only recently got sidelined.

jaromil OP ,
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