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yogthos , vor 3 Monaten

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/b98c1871-9f9b-4faa-bc6d-75a8524d9da9.png

https://archive.ph/lkVU2

weirdly, the page has since been updated, see if you can spot the change https://www.balticshipping.com/vessel/imo/9697428/seafarers

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

There's nothing here about hating others. The meme is talking about how the boss appropriates the value the worker produces under capitalism. The meme is criticizing the system of capitalist relations that produces millionaires and billionaires. These people don't just magically appear out of thin air. They're a product of the system. Educate yourself FFS.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

That's literally what's happening, the boss appropriates the value that your labor produces, and then pays you a small portion of that in form of wages. Hope that helps clear things up for you.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

The whole point of memes is to kick off discussion. Meanwhile, not sure how pointing out that bosses appropriate salary of the workers pits the workers against each other in your mind. You're making a really poor argument here and you just keep doubling down on it. You sound like you just like to argue for the sake of arguing to be honest. Seems like the only one who's commenting to feel superior to people here is you.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

This is absolutely hilarious. First you complain the meme is too simplistic, then when explained the context you complain that people are talking down to you. Nowhere have you provided any actual critique of what Marx says, or why you claim it doesn't apply today.

I'm again confused how pointing out that workers need to organize against capital owners is making us fight against each other. It seems that you're very confused and angry person who might want to go outside and touch some grass.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

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yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

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yogthos , vor 3 Monaten

some more here https://razedbywolves.blogspot.com/2021/08/a-detailed-chronological-list-of-us_5.html?m=1

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

I'd argue it can by happiness in a very literal sense since you can pay people to do things you don't want to do, thus freeing up your time enjoy however you like.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

Being able to spend your time doing things you want to do obviously makes everyone happier.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

How a government in a capitalist country works perhaps. Certainly not how the government worked in USSR or how it works in places like Cuba, China, or Vietnam today.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

When you definitely know what capitalism is.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

I'm doing no such thing. Capitalist competition necessarily leads to monopolies because successful businesses grow and as they grow it takes increasingly more up front investment to compete with them. On top of it they can just undercut small businesses or buy them out. The game of monopoly is a perfect illustration of how capitalism works. Everybody starts on equal footing, and at the end of the game one players owns everything. That's how capital concentration happens in real life under the capitalist dynamics.

Meanwhile, the government represents the interests of the class that holds power in society and passes laws in their interest. Under capitalism it's the capital owning class. These are the people who own the media, pay for election campaigns, lobbying, and so on. And it's not just me saying this. Here's what a study analyzing many decades of US policy concludes:

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/1c59c017-2eb8-41e9-97ec-2f3ae412516e.png

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

Government is not a monopoly the government is a management organization that resolves differences between capitalists. Meanwhile, if you can't understand how capitalist monopolies cause harm then you're beyond help. The whole climate crisis is caused by capitalist monopolies, just one example for you.

I think you have fundamental mistake in that you seem to believe that the economy is a zero sum game but its just not how it works. The only zero sum game that I am worried about is the control of our rights with the governmnet.

That literally has nothing to do with what I said which is that the economy works in the interest of the people who own capital, and these are the same people the government represents. You don't even understand what the government is apparently.

What specifically is it that you want peoples lives to look like?

I want people to own the means of production. I want all businesses to be run as a mix of state owned enterprise and worker owned cooperatives. The state enterprise is good at providing common things everyone needs like healthcare, infrastructure, housing, and so on. These are things that need to be done regardless of profit motive. Meanwhile, private sector that's owned by the workers is great at providing all the things where profit motive acts as a motivator. This isn't rocket science.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

How can I opt out of the government if its not a monopoly?

Please learn what words government and monopoly mean before attempting to use them in sentence.

When you talk about all the money doesnt just go to the rich, there is more wealth created and you have the option to accumulate wealth or trade it to others.

Imagine still believing in trickle down economics. 😂

Do you understand how what you are advocating for will just make everyone poorer?

Workers retaining the profits of their labor makes them more poor is the dumbest take I've seen in a while. Maybe spend a bit of time educating yourself instead of trolling online.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

You literally believe in trickle down economics because that's what capitalism fundamentally is. The boss you employs your dumb ass appropriates all the value that you produce, then pays you a small portion of that value in form of salary. That's the system where you don't get benefit of your labor.

Since you evidently don't understand the concept of cooperative ownership. That's a system where all the workers own the business together and share the profits in equitable manner. Meanwhile, it's pretty hilarious that you think communism doesn't work given that China is pretty much the only place in the world where the standard of living is rapidly improving. Meanwhile, it's declining in all the capitalist hellholes.

Can't wait for you to reply with another banger.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

You've already made it abundantly clear that you do not understand what capitalism is. China is a socialist country that's run by the communist party. Please explain to me how cooperative ownership means not getting the benefit of your labor. Be specific.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

China is not, its controlled by a centralized party but it lets people do their own thing.

How to say you have no clue how the system in China works.

I noticed you didnt mention Cuba as a great example of communism, “Because sanctions they cant get ahead!!!” You should check out the vox video on how well their system works.

Cuba has been fucked over by the US regime since the revolution dummy.

Because the harder I work it doesnt directly benefit me, it benefits all the owners. So I would not be incentivized to work harder or longer because I dont get the direct benefit.

Owning your own business doesn't benefit you. Just how dumb are you exactly?

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

China is not communist… You literally dont undestand what any of these systems are. All you do is insult and say nothing.

says the guy who's been flaunting his ignorance here. 😂

How does owning my own business not benefit me? I am one of those rich people you are jealous of.

Oh now I see, you're an exploiter scumbag who owns a capitalist business. Everything makes sense now.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

I'm not wrong, but you keep on believing whatever you want.

I retired in my 30s using only my labor and no one elses. How does owning my own business not benefit me?

I'm sure you did.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

What I noticed is that you have really poor reading comprehension because I answered your questions repeatedly. You just keep repeating the same nonsense over and over like a broken record without actually addressing anything I said. It's like talking to a bot.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

An answer to what?

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

See this is what I'm talking about. Poor reading comprehension all around. I've addressed this here in detail https://lemmy.ml/comment/9575251

The boss you employs your dumb ass appropriates all the value that you produce, then pays you a small portion of that value in form of salary. That’s the system where you don’t get benefit of your labor.

When you are an employee, which is the vast majority of population who do not own businesses, you are being exploited by an owner such as yourself who steals your labor.

A business that actually benefits the workers is a worker owned cooperative where people doing the work get to keep the profits. Evidently this concept is really hard for you to wrap your head around.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

lol, you ignorant

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

in China of course

• https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-a-f/china-nuclear-fuel-cycle.aspx
• https://carnegieendowment.org/2018/05/14/china-s-choice-for-nuclear-power-and-closed-nuclear-fuel-cycle-pub-76313

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

here's some more reading material from a country that actually knows what it's talking about https://www.caea.gov.cn/english/n6759365/n6759369/c6792804/content.html

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

I mean that's how things work in China with state owned companies. I don't see why everybody shouldn't be doing that.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

China is doing it, but I can't tell you why the west is so backwards.

yogthos , vor 3 Monaten

Systemic issues require systemic solutions, not individual efforts. The current state of our society is a clear manifestation of this principle. It's time to address the root cause which is capitalism.

yogthos , vor 3 Monaten

It's not too broad a term at all. Capitalism is an economic system where the capital owning class holds power in society. Whatever flavor you have leads you down the same path in the end. Ultimately, commerce should not be equated with capitalism. Just try thinking more broadly instead of trying to carry water for a deplorable system that's killing us all.

yogthos , vor 3 Monaten

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/a02dfbf3-9bbd-4592-b1db-e37bb8fb97d9.jpeg

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

I'm guessing something like this https://liliputing.com/this-7-inch-mini-laptop-with-a-celeron-j4125-processor-sells-about-for-300-and-up/

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

oh I didn't think of that

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. The only people who will have a crisis are financial capitalists who overinvested in the real estate sector, and they're not getting a bailout like they would in the west. Meanwhile, houshold savings in China are record high, and the economy is growing at 5.2%.

Maybe update your propaganda talking points there. 😂

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

What part of 90% of the people own their housing are you still struggling with?

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

Most current state put them at 40 trillion yuan in mortgages (5.5 trillion USD)

If you had a clue regarding the subject you're opining on, then you'd understand that these figures aren't mutually exclusive. Vast majority of people in China own their primary homes, that's where 80% ownership comes from. In additions, people and companies buy up secondary properties, which is where the mortgages come from.

backfiring horribly with those housing companies going under because they can’t finish the homes fast enough

Do elaborate how it's backfiring on anybody but the financial capitalists who invested in these ventures.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

I literally quoted a mainstream western article explaining that this is the case and even going into detail of how and why this is the case. Are you trying to claim that Forbes is shilling for China here and making things up?

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

Are you suggesting that the rate of home ownership in China has changed in any substantial way in the past 7 years. If so please do provide citations to support your claims. Otherwise, feel free to go trolling in a different thread lmao.

yogthos OP , vor 3 Monaten

That doesn't show anything to support your argument. It just shows that people aren't seeing real estate as a good investment vehicle.

yogthos , vor 3 Monaten

while the Chinese government controls corporations like tencent much more than the US government controls US corporations

welcome traveller from an alternate universe where Snowden leaks didn't happen 😂

yogthos OP , vor 4 Monaten

If you ever actually tried using these tools you'd realize that what you're saying is complete and utter nonsense. The workflows for generating stuff with AI tools are already getting very complex. This technology isn't magic, it's just a different way to produce art where the tool takes care of the mechanical aspects. A human is still very much needed to direct what's actually produced.