cybersin

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cybersin ,

Are you trying to equate the ideology of a political regime with a minority population of South Africans?

South Africa had no right to exist as an apartheid state, and Israel has no right to exist as an apartheid state.

After apartheid ended and living conditions improved, black South Africans didn't go and slaughter every white South African as retribution, so when Israel says freed Palestinians would slaughter all Israelites, why should we believe them?

If the occupation ended today and Palestinians were allowed to live fairly and given ample resources to rebuild, what reason would they have to seek further conflict? If treated fairly, why would Palestinians act any differently than the South Africans freed from apartheid? This conflict is ultimately the direct result of unfair treatment after all.

cybersin ,

Massacring and forcibly evicting an existing population to create an ethnostate, which then subjugates the previous inhabitants under an apartheid regime, is generally seen as a "not very nice" thing to do. To suggest that territorial disputes can only be resolved through war is unimaginative, ignorant, and flatly incorrect.

Your question is unimportant because ethnostates and the forcible acquisition of territory are always fundamentally unjust.

A civilian population is being brutalized right now. The killing must stop for there to be any reconciliation.

cybersin ,

Hamas attacked Israel, counting on the response being disproportionate and bloody. They wanted dead Palestinians

Yeah bro, they really just wanted to murder-suicide their mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, sons, and daughters Jonestown style. Trust me bro, they got what they deserved, bro.

It is disgusting to suggest they wished for the massacre of their people.

cybersin ,

I'd say the scale of civilian death achieved through the deliberate targeting of civilians and civilian infrastructure is so extreme, it could not have been foreseen. It is a vastly disproportionate response.

No, they knew, and counted on it to get support and to wreck any goodwill Israel had with their neighbours and the world.

This is just wrong. The western powers have unwaveringly supported Israel from the beginning. Only just recently has the US decided to perhaps reduce the weapon shipments to Israel, after vast destruction and loss of life has already occurred.

cybersin ,

Somewhat conflicted on the "deliberate targeting"

Intentionally striking hospitals, aid workers, journalists, and families in their homes, is the deliberate targeting of civilians.

Still certain that Hamas knew what would happen and already had a plan to use it for propaganda purposes.

When a faction commits war crimes, the propaganda writes itself.

Israel already have all the weapons they need to flatten Gaza completely.

Yet the US continues to send military equipment and munitions.

The only people who can stop this suffering is the Israeli and Palestinian people

Not entirely. Israel relies heavily on foreign (US) capital. Threat of divestment and/or sanctions would likely be quite effective.

cybersin ,

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