@fasterthanlime@malwareminigun I picked ourselves but I definitely read the poll as 'our collectif self'. = Let's not kid ourselves, let's be serious. (Whereas 'with each other' sounds more like "let me tell you some facts", almost aggressive tone-wise.)
@fasterthanlime I don't use the phrase because it's a red flag for "I'm going to make an assertion without substantiating it and then try to imply that anybody who doesn't agree with it isn't being honest"