I know of people who work in IT and use onedrive as a shitty version of github for sharing and version controlling code....
If I was them, I'd alteast use syncthing
Unpopular opinion: OneDrive automatic integration is amazing. Get a new PC, login, boom. PC at your parents' house? Boom.
I tried open source file syncing and it was jank. Everyone making their own cloud is inefficient anyway.
I just wish windows phone was still a thing and it could all be on the Microsoft account. It remains better value than any other offering.
That said, if it's not your thing and you don't want any of it, I agree there should be a big red "I've got this" button if you want to go full manual transmission. Well, windows style, maybe circa Windows 7. Linux is only for those for whom playing with settings is why they computer.
Also "personalisation" can eat a dick. And stop fucking asking me for feedback. You get 1 star everytime just for asking. I'm done. /rant
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times, OneDrive is not a backup solution. You should not be using it to sync files between PCs. It's at best a data sharing solution which also extensively mines your data. If you're using OneDrive to backup important information you'll regret it when your data is gone and there's no support from Microsoft to resolve it.
Sounds utterly illegal, and likely to lead to countless lawsuits. They've got better phone support than Google, especially when you're a paying customer, and I'm not expecting one of the biggest corporations on the planet to just up and leave with my data, and I've sure as shit never heard of it happening.
Microsoft products have a bunch of problems I'm happy to moan about, and a UX team that I swear doesn't even use M$ products, but data security does not seem to be one of them.
It's not MS but Google Drive suffered data loss back in November. Any company can accidentally fuck something up. That's why I self host. When I eventually loose data, it will be my own damn fault!
I want something that I can set up and forget about, that costs a few bucks a month or less, and integrates between all my devices. Security is a given, so let's assume spyware or not, the data is safe unless I fuck to.
Just curious - do you live your life telling others they are wrong and then provide no counter argument or further info? My disappointment with you is... immeasurable.
I don't understand the hatred of OneDrive. Your documents folder redirects to the OneDrive folder. I guess you have a piece of software that has the documents folder hard coded? Be mad at that software.
I haven't used Windows in a few years (and never used OneDrive), so pinch of salt time, but...
I don't like the idea of M$ having direct access to all of my files and personal data
That and, there have been mishaps with OD deleting files
Also, i personally don't like software automagic, especially when i don't understand what is going on under the hood
Is OD just a folder? Where are my documents actually stored? What happens if my internet goes out? How much do i trust M$ to not bungle something or sell or leak my files?
I want to have granular control over where my files are stored. If I want them stored in the cloud, I want that to be a choice I consciously make, not something that's defaulted at the operating system level.
So the hatred isn't really directed at OneDrive, it's directed at the fact that the operating system is making decisions for me, and they don't line up with what I actually want my computer to do.
If it lost your files after constantly fighting you about where to save them, you would.
Plus the whole not asking to install, then begging for money to upgrade a service you never asked for. Until you finally have to waste hours learning how to completely disable it and get it off of every machine you own....
in all honesty with the options you have available these days, and easy options at that like installing Linux Mint or Windows ReviOS I don't think people have any right to complain about windows. When installing Linux is just as easy and actually EASIER than installing windows then just switch already. "but my windows programs won't work on Linux." Guarantee you most will as long as they're not named adobe. Hell you can even run .exe's on linux now.
at the very least use ReviOS so iti'll remove onedrive, copilot, edge, etc. But there's no point in complaing about onedrive or copilot or the ads or them tracking you when you can switch your OS.
my daily driver is a laptop and I haven't had any issues with drivers. I have an Nvidia GPU and it's been fine. if anything you can partion out your drive and give a linux distro a go to see how you like it. Linux Mint is painfully easy to install. I'm on CachyOS which is a little more "advanced" but not by much and it's just as easy to install.
nope, haven't had any issues with wifi. in fact it works better now than it did on Windows. On windows every so often I'd have to reinstall the OS simply because the wifi stopped working regardless of reinstalling drivers.
On linux haven't had that issue at all and if anything it's more reliable.
Do I look like I know what a got dang is I just want a hotdog of a gribble. You tell me what about accessories and accessory because Alamo propane is like a got dang ladybird I tell you what
That’s just an NTLite build, if you want to uninstall those things do it yourself (either with NTLite and an ISO or through command prompt like any other software)
You can disable it in the registry. H key local machine, software, policy, microsoft, windows, OneDrive, disable sync value change from 0 to 1 and it will turn it off. I may be a little off this was just from memory.
I've commented on this meme before. All I'm going to say this time is that OneDrive has redeeming qualities. The way that Microsoft pushes it, like many things Microsoft has pushed lately, is pretty shitty.
Quickly: good examples of shitty Microsoft pushes for what they want you to use: persistent pop-ups about upgrading to Windows 10/11 from earlier versions, making the default browser setting in Outlook/office/teams/whatever, to be separate from the system default, and that default is always edge, OneDrive.... I don't need to say more about the push to OneDrive, considering it's the point of the post.
Regarding OneDrive specifically, you can change the default save locations for MS apps to be not OneDrive. However, OneDrive does offer benefits that are great for the less technically savvy, specifically syncing user data (mainly desktop/documents/pictures).... If you don't need a crazy amount of storage for your images/documents, etc, then having the OneDrive backup/sync enabled is a good backup solution. The only thing you need to keep on top of is that OneDrive is actually still connected to the service (logged in) and working as intended. OneDrive seems to have this tendency to logout or expire your connection, so checking on it monthly just to ensure its still backing up is the best practice.
The benefit to this backup is that it's built into Windows, and almost entirely transparent to the user. "Saving to OneDrive" is just putting the information into a dedicated OneDrive sync folder (usually under "C:\users(username)\OneDrive - (account name)" ) which saves locally, then syncs to OneDrive in the background using something similar to the "BITS" service (background intelligent transfer service, also part of Windows).
Since this is normally very transparent to the user, it's good for less tech savvy people, in case they suffer a failure like a hard drive loss, system crash/failure/corruption, lost/stolen/destroyed hardware, etc. All their files are synced/saved to OneDrive and they lose nothing, all they need is a Microsoft account (Hotmail/outlook.com/live.com), and to take the 30s or so to set it up. Then use the computer pretty much normally and their data is safe from loss.
There's an absolute shit ton of alternatives, not just from cloud storage providers. I personally use both OneDrive (personal, on a Hotmail account - free tier, which IIRC is 100G), Google drive, and my Synology. OneDrive on my PC backs up documents/pictures mainly, which I use as a sync to my laptop, and I use "Synology drive" to back up my entire C:\users\username folder to my local NAS. Google drive is exclusively used on-cloud, mainly for shared documents that I collaborate with others on; mainly financial records (no credit/debit/bank info, just costs, etc), and other tracking type documents and stuff I need to share with others.
I won't get into other alternatives just due to the sheer number of them. Needless to say, I'm very contentious of my data and losing it. I am aware that my free/public account data might be anonymised and used to train some AI somewhere, so I tend to be careful about putting any password/account data/confidential data on a service that may have access to something I don't want it to. I use a password manager, so I don't generally keep login info anywhere except there.
Anyways, enough about me, I want to hear what people use for their backups!
The main thing people are upset about isn't that OneDrive exists or that Microsoft is pushing it. It's that updates have made it so that OneDrive folder backup is automatically enabled without user permission. Backing up files to OneDrive without being asked to. That is a privacy nightmare.
I personally host my own copy of Nextcloud and use that for anything I need to sync or back up. I have a regular back up job that snapshots the Ceph cluster it uses for storage and copies it to my own NAS box here in the house, which is automatically replicated via a Nebula network (like TailScale or Zerotier but fully self-managed) to an identical NAS at my parents' house across town.
It does ask, but often the Yay, thanks for changing my setting that I didn't ask you to change button is much more prominent than the Wtf I didn't ask for this put it back how it was button, so people think they're being told rather than asked and just confirm it without realising they had a choice. Also, a lot of people just click the Next/OK button without reading and are surprised by the consequences. It's not a major difference than just changing the setting of people don't realise they're being asked to opt in and can therefore opt out, but it is a bit of a difference.
Hostile UX design. The "yes, make this change I don't want" is often highlighted in a brightly colored button, meanwhile the "no thanks" is often grey or a simple link looking option, not dissimilar to what you would find for help.
They make it seem like you don't have a choice when you absolutely do.
Having a choice in what software does is actually a big highlight for me with Windows, apart from being aggressively persuasive in getting people to do whatever they want you to do, in the end, you are given a choice.
They're slowly eroding this away though, starting with local accounts, and I'm sure much, much more will follow.
With Linux, the only option you get is to customize your experience. Often defaults are either not apparent or not given, so you kind of stumble around trying to figure out what to do, unless you really know what you want, it can be a terrible experience.
Mac is customizable.... With one big asterisk on that. You basically need to be a very advanced user to really customize anything beyond whatever the mighty blue Apple wants you to be able to do. You're given a short list of "options" and if you want anything beyond whatever is sanctioned by Apple, here's the command prompt, good luck 👍
Windows has been in this middle ground for a very long time. Not as free as Linux, with recommended settings across pretty much every piece of software, and defaults that generally work and provide a good experience in general. They might not be optimal, but they work. You have the option of basically doing whatever the hell you want, within reason, without having to get a PhD in computer science to do it.
With Mac, you either fit into the Apple ecosystem box, or we'll make you fit.
Linux has no box. No walls, no limits, no rules, not even a guideline. Figure it out yourself.
.... At least, that's my take on it. I've used all three to some extent for various purposes. Mac is awesome when doing everyday things, a lot of what you need is abstracted away and "just works" (tm), so thinking is at an all time low. Windows is very meh, it does what you want, but it's like a moody teenager at times. It'll just go to hell and you'll be left to figure out wtf is going to fix it.
I use Linux mainly for servers, but the UI/UX for it is essentially the aesthetic of Windows 9x/2000, but after you've taken LSD. When you need to get anything fixed, here's your console, good luck. Don't forget to sudo.
the most enraging thing i’ve ever experienced on windows was when they started automatically “off-loading” files on my drive because i was running out of space. what the fuck, fuck you, i needed that, die in a fire and never touch my drive again. if i need more space i will fucking make more space
Ah, but those aren't really your files. You clicked "Agree" on the 10,000 page EULA so now Microsoft owns you body and soul and all of your offspring out to the 17th generation. They're just moving around their contracted work product and if you don't like it you can go pound sand, assuming you pay Microsoft $30/mo for the "Pound Sand^TM" account license.
Encrypt your files before upload them to OneDrive this way you use Microsoft servers and your files cannot be accessed by them to train AI and sell your personal data
Microsoft does not sell personal data. Do you have any idea how fast they'd get sued if there was any evidence of that?
You know who sells your personal data? Data brokers. But they don't have recognizable names or market their services to consumers, so they're less satisfying to complain about.
Feel free to assume everyone is trying to stab you in the back all the time. Sounds like a miserable way to live to me, even if it keeps you marginally safer.
In what way is it not? It has a desktop, a browser, free app for a word processor. For the CASUAL user it's fine. Just don't go into the terminal, like you wouldn't for the command prompt.
Hardware compatibility. I have one machine that won't boot any Linux installer at all. Another with constant gpu driver problems. Another where Bluetooth doesn't work at all. Another where wifi firmware crashes all the time. It never ends.
Bro I actively challenge you to install Mint and have problems with it. It's nearly impossible. Worst case you'll need to wineskin some niche Windows-only game or program, but honestly even that isn't necessary all that often in my experience. You're going to have a no-stress install finished in a quarter the time that a windows install would be, and a robust OS that apes the windows environment to such a degree that average non-technical users won't have any idea they're even using Linux.
Barring some sort of hardware incompatibility that I haven't experienced personally, I've installed Mint on around a half dozen machines in the past several years and have yet to recieve a complaint from the end users. It just works.
Seriously. I'm pretty sure my housemate hasn't noticed the difference between Mint and Windows. At least they haven't asked me to help them with anything in over a month, and they would have, if they needed help.
I acquired an ewaste laptop with a 5+ year old Celeron, 4GM of RAM and a spinning rust drive. I tossed mint on there after fighting with Windows update to try to apply 3 years worth of updates and while the installer took 2 hours to complete, it actually is a bit more usable and once it's booted it's amusingly chirpy with random slowdowns whenever it has to hit the disc for data.
I might set it up as my daughter's first computer. She's getting to that age already so it's about time to do it
I’ve been daily driving Mint at work for a few months and I love it. It was painless to install, and I like all the GUI/DE stuff better than windows. It also has better multi-monitor support than when I boot into windows.
But it’s still Linux so all the techy development shit works great too. I’m always in the terminal, etc.
Had some windows users loving the Cinnamon DE on Mint. They managed to get right into it straight away. Plus, on most Linux distros they come with easy to use package managers. And you can still get deb or rpm packages that can be used to install applications just like a windows installer exe.
My mother and aunt picked up on it just fine, they're actually enjoying it more because there aren't full screen ads that confuse them and it made their computers faster.
I use it every day across many machines. Still continue to have serious hardware compatibility problems with a wide range of devices. It's extremely frustrating.
I realize not everyone's experience is the same, but it can still be a really bad time for some people. Maybe the same can be said about Windows too but I still think it's not as bad.
Yawn. Yelling at people to just use Linux is ineffective and it comes across as really condescending. It also does nothing to address the issue if how disruptive it is to switch operating systems, especially for less technical users.
Linux on a laptop can't even reliably wake the system when you close then open a laptop lid. There are some basic things that need to work 100% of the time before Linux can be considered ready for casual everyday use.
The average windows user is tech illiterate. They don’t know what a directory is. I work with a person who opens .docx files by opening Word and using its internal search function. She does not comprehend how or where files are stored.
This is one of the biggest issues with corporate operating systems. Back in the day you booted up a computer and you got a black screen with a terminal. You had to know how things worked if you wanted to use the computer.
Today, you boot a computer and it's simple enough that anyone with eyes and fingers can operate it. People hand iPads to babies, and even they can figure out how to navigate YouTube.
People have convinced themselves that this is "using a computer", rather than being given a dumbed-down entertainment device designed specifically to exploit them.
People respond negatively when you suggest switching to Linux, because they fear they might actually have to learn something about how the Computer works, and never stop to understand that their illiteracy is the reason that the corporate operating systems they use suck so much.
If you exercise no power to change anything, they can shove as many ads as they want down your throat.
I work with a person who opens .docx files by opening Word and using its internal search function
Unironically one of MS Word (and Google Docs)'s better features. Its easy to lose track of where you save a file when you've got a bunch of them open at once, and the ability to recall recently opened files and search by file name is a lifesaver.
On my Android phone the Android phone I have, I find it hard to tell where the stuff I downloaded is.
Until I connect it to the computer and see the directory structure easily.
The Files app seems to be trying to do some kind of Abstraction over here.
Ask a non-tech person where they JUST downloaded something to… they can’t tell you.
Nobody really bothers to change the default though, so it only really matters if they later try to find the file without using their web browser. And if they do try to do that, "Downloads" is a pretty obvious place to look.
People blindly using their computer with zero understand of what they are doing absolutely matters. A computer is a powerful tool. I take the same attitude boomers take with their cars: If you can't tell me how it works, you have no business using it.
Do you mean the byzantine directory structure for system files? The default of installing to "Program Files" doesn't seem too unusual, although adding "x86" bit seems unnecessarily complicated for a typical end user. Same with the rest of the standard directories that people use most often.
The directory structure for system files is bad, but that's true for Unix-derivatives too. Unix has /bin and /lib, /sbin, /usr/bin, /usr/lib, /var/opt, etc. Different versions of Unix have different ideas of what belongs where. Even different flavours of Linux have their own ideas.
At least with Linux the distro-specific packages install software where it should go.
On Windows you end up with 32-bit binaries in the 64-bit Program Files folder, and vise versa. You end up with files saved arbitrarily to three different application data directories, and sometimes your Documents folder, so sometimes the registry, why not? Should we put several folders full of drivers directly on the root of the C drive? Of course, where else would they go?
Do you have any specific notable examples? In my experience, FOSS tends to take a more no-nonsense approach to things.
How does a product that defaults to its own proprietary for-profit offerings providing a better user experience?
The argument I hear most of is that people are just used to what they've used in the past, and having difficulty moving to an alternative because of that isn't indicative of the alternative offering worse UX, but rather an unwillingness to learn anything by the user.
If you try to get a professional Photoshop or After Effects or Resolve or Solidworks or Quickbooks etc etc. user to use a FOSS equivalent you will be laughed out of the building.
It's not that they won't learn, it's that the alternatives literally can't do so much of what people need it to do. And at the same time they most often look worse, are harder to use, and are sometimes less stable.
A prime example myself, I have tried to use kdenlive for YEARS to do simple subtitling. Every few years I try the latest version. Without fail it ALWAYS crashes within 20 minutes.
Same for Audacity. 5 minutes into clipping some audio... crash. 3 times in a row. And it looks dog ugly enough to turn me off to even wanting to try it in the first place.
Or GIMP, it can't do non-destructive editing, this makes it completely unusable for many professionals.
It's not just one or two things here or there in these apps, it's huge sweeping problems across the entire FOSS landscape, almost none of the options are comparable for professional users.
I fundamental thing that makes FOSS better is not the product that exists, but that, when you see a problem, you have the option to think, "let's see how to fix it".
Now I have used MS Excel for most of my life, up until University end, and only recently started using LibreOffice Calc instead.
And despite me telling all my colleagues how much better the new versions of LibreOffice fresh are, I know very well that there are still some glaring problems in these programs even in general use.
However, I had experienced some problems in MS Office too and back then all I could do was feel powerless for a few seconds and then either find some workarounds or ignore the problem, depending upon what it was.
In case of LibreOffice, I can make a note of the problem and plan to report a bug and maybe even help fix it, which leaves me on a +ive note at the end of the day.
Digression: Problems with LibreOffice:
Calc: Using click+drag on the vertical scrollbar in case of even as low as 800 records, causes lags during the scrolling.
Writer: Images cause slowdown. This has been a major issue for a long time and you can probably find some discussions related to this, floating around.
So I'll counter an anecdote with an anecdote, my dad is a draftsman by trade and was an engineering technologist for decades, he's looked at Freecad back and forth and is now seriously looking at it over solidworks for his personal projects now that he's retired, I also flipped from solidworks which I used professionally for about 5 years before changing roles. Does it have quirks, yeah it does, but so do other cad packages, and lets not pretend that solidworks is a beacon of stability, there's a reason it was drilled into us in uni to save frequently and why it has autosaving. The UI is relatively simple, there's plugins to customise it and it has substantially improved over the last decade when I first gave it a try, way better than my memories of using solid edge (and I personally disliked fusion, just didn't click with me, at least freecad has a near identical workflow to SW). Am I more accepting of jankiness with Foss solutions, straightup yes, it's provided for free without restrictions on its usage vs solidworks where if you have a maker license for example, only other maker licenses can open the sldprt file.
Another example, I'd wager it's why you see a lot more r and python usage in statistical spaces where SPSS and SAS were used because those tools are extremely expensive for licenses (I recall a colleague talking about it costing 10s of thousanda at leaat, maybe more, company was always looking into ways they can get off of it) cost alone makes the Foss solutions more accessible.
I'll be also fair that both of my anecdotal examples we're using for personal projects but the point is that professional users aren't a monolith.
This is one reason I'm still paying my monthly Microsoft dues. I'm an advanced [I guess] Excel user and none of the other spreadsheet programs out there can do everything Excel can do. At least not easily.
I had to run an alias every time I wanted to change the brightness on my laptop, and it defaulted to max brightness every time it was restarted.
I get that if I was a better person I could just pull myself by my bootstraps and teach myself to sync the brightness buttons on the keyboard to work again but I'm not. On windows it just worked.
