yogthos

yogthos , vor 18 Tagen

To this day, nobody's actually articulated any counterpoints to it, so yeah.

yogthos , vor 18 Tagen

The problem with anarchist theory is that it demonstrably doesn't work. A theory that can't be put into practice is not worth the paper its written on.

yogthos , vor 18 Tagen

How exactly would Marx denounce Lenin? Or Mao?

You'd know if you read anarchist theory 😂

yogthos , vor 18 Tagen

Just because you have trouble comprehending something doesn't make it stupid.

yogthos , vor 18 Tagen

The thing is that anarchism fundamentally doesn't scale. There's a reason we see central authority arise in every functioning society regardless of its political system. It's the same reason complex animals evolve things like nervous systems and brains. Large organism need a way to coordinate actions towards a common purpose, and a human society is no different. This is why we see anarchist style societies at small scales, and then as they grow they develop central coordination mechanisms. The fact that anarchist can't wrap their heads around this simple concept is frankly depressing.

yogthos , vor 18 Tagen

I love how being unable to make a coherent argument you go on bleating about tankies. If you admit that capitalism is not a democracy for the majority, then what democracy is being abolished?

yogthos , vor 18 Tagen

you ok there little buddy?

yogthos , vor 18 Tagen

nah, the actual bottoms are the people who have been so conditioned to subjugation that they can't even imagine being in charge

https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/6ed2b403-8571-4e07-9603-04f4c321b60e.png

https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/069c2156-2c41-4896-8b32-09e5164e3ca1.png

yogthos , vor 18 Tagen (Bearbeitet vor 18 Tagen)

Indeed, and this is why anarchism is really just an offshoot of the liberal ideology at the end of the day. Idealism holds that existence is inseparable from human perception and that reality stems from the mind. This leads them to think that they can just will reality into existence through sheer force of will. The general premise most anarchists seem to believe is that the state is responsible for all the problems in society, and if it was somehow abolished then people would just naturally act in cooperative and enlightened way. This appears to be premised on the assumption that most people think the way anarchists do.

yogthos , vor 21 Tagen

that does work better :)

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/1dee1b50-7097-4e90-9429-0bbacf125e28.jpeg

yogthos , vor 23 Tagen

Buddy, that's literally what US state department claims on their official website:

The United States approach to Taiwan has remained consistent across decades and administrations. The United States has a longstanding one China policy, which is guided by the Taiwan Relations Act, the three U.S.-China Joint Communiques, and the Six Assurances. We oppose any unilateral changes to the status quo from either side; we do not support Taiwan independence; and we expect cross-Strait differences to be resolved by peaceful means.

yogthos , vor 23 Tagen

This is also the position of the UN, and vast majority of countries in the world. Taiwan is part of China, get over it.

yogthos , vor 23 Tagen (Bearbeitet vor 23 Tagen)

What you're doing here is called sophistry. Taiwan being part of China is a fact that's recognized by international law. It's really that simple. The reality is that China could remove US sponsored regime in the rogue province any time they want. However, they realize that it's much better to remove burgerland influence in a peaceful way, and that's what will happen. It's incredible how people have trouble grasping such basic things.

edit: I aboslutely love how utterly enraged lemmy radlibs get when faced with reality

yogthos , vor 23 Tagen

LMAO, China can just blockade the province and the economy there would crash overnight.

The only real metric to determine whether Taiwan is part of China is to ask the people who live there. And guess what, this is what they say:

Yeah, I agree, especially after all the NED sponsored propagandists are kicked out. Meanwhile, even despite US having a massive presence in Taiwanese media, the only reason DPP got in power was using first past the post mechanic.

Latest polling shows that vast majority of people want to maintain the status quo:

https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/upload/44/doc/6963/Tondu202312.jpg

https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7801&id=6963

yogthos , vor 23 Tagen

Tell me you have no idea how the UN works without explicitly saying so. A majority of countries not recognizing Taiwan doesn’t mean it’s “international law” that Taiwan isn’t independent.

I think you just told us that about yourself.

LMAO this is such a cope.

Proceeds to write a bunch of cope. 😂

. They know if they tried full-out war against the US or its allies (Taiwan), the US navy would cut off their international trade and turn their country upside down – it’s why they’re trying so hard (and failing) to seize full control of the South China Sea.

You losers can't even prop up Ukraine against Russia, and think you can take on China. The sheer delusion here. Burgerland economy would collapse overnight. Go check where all your shit comes from sometime. 😂

Again, absolute cope.

read and weep ignoramus https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4657439-china-doesnt-need-to-invade-to-achieve-taiwanese-unification/

It’s incredible how you have trouble grasping the situation and think China is going to “peacefully” absorb Taiwan when Taiwan is farther from China than ever in terms of national identity and international participation.

You're like the living embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Latest polling shows that vast majority of people want to maintain the status quo, and very few people want independence, but do go on child https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/PageDoc/Detail?fid=7801&id=6963

yogthos , vor 23 Tagen

the angry wasp nest has spoken

yogthos , vor 23 Tagen

Do you honestly think a military blockade is the way to get people on the side of your cause?

I don't think that at all, and that's why China hasn't resorted to this option.

“After all the people I disagree with are got rid of” Do you honestly think that makes you the good guy? Removing political opponents is the methodology of authoritarians.

Entire books have been written explaining in great detail how media is used to manipulate public opinion, and here you are bleating about AuThoRiTarIanS. 🤡

You claim international law on one hand as if it means something and then threaten with the big stick with the other.

Not sure what the contradiction in your mind is of a country enforcing its laws within its borders. You'll have to enlighten us on this fascinating political theory of yours.

Put simply, you’re an asshole.

Put simply, you’re a cheap propagandist without a shred of intellectual honesty.

yogthos , vor 23 Tagen

Remind me how long that “10-day special operation” is taking again?

Yes, let me remind you that it's now publicly known that Ukraine was about to make a peace deal within the first couple months. Then the west tanked that deal, and started pumping weapons into Ukraine.

Seriously, how can the “2nd best military in the world” falter so hard against their tiny neighbour with 1/4 of the population just because they got weapon donations from other countries? It shouldn’t be that hard to counter right, I mean Russian military technology is allegedly so advanced and totally not stuck in the 80s. I would understand if it were half-way across the globe or something, but they’re LITERALLY ON THEIR DOORSTEP. It’s also concerning that China has repeatedly failed Russia when it comes to Ukraine and has caved into international pressure quite a few times, maybe it’s because China also realizes that the war is completely embarrassing Russia?

Wow that's a fascinating assessment of the situation. Let's see how it compares with what people with an actual clue have to say https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/attritional-art-war-lessons-russian-war-ukraine

The US navy has a larger airforce than the entire Chinese airforce

Last I checked US lost every one of their war games, but keep going kiddo.

Damn, an opinion piece news article. Guess that destroys the entire American military and truly shows that China numba one.

Maybe you should read up what the American military has to say before making a clown of yourself

https://asiatimes.com/2023/05/war-game-china-hypersonics-sink-us-carrier-every-time/

I literally said that exact same thing in my original comment, it goes against your point lmao.

LMFAO you claimed that people in Taiwan want independence, where actual polling shows that practically nobody wants it. 🤡

yogthos , vor 23 Tagen

I’m not American nor have any loyalty to the Western hegemony. I’m an anarchist living in a country with its own independence movement attempting to get out from the boot of colonialism.

Anarchists are just edgy liberals, thanks for confirming that once again in this thread.

When you’re finished your work for the day propagandising, I hope you go home and think on your morality. Think on who you are as a person. Is defending Chinese bullying, violence, and threat really the best thing you can be doing with your life?

Hope you'll take your own advice, but we both know you won't. Clearly defending US colonialism is how you choose to spend your life. Peak anarchism right there.

yogthos , vor 23 Tagen

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/14e30b94-5511-42d3-ac8e-16013cf46091.jpeg

yogthos , vor 24 Tagen

Why do people in the west have the need to keep pretending that communism doesn't work at scale when there's plenty of evidence that it does?

yogthos , vor 24 Tagen

wait until you find out what this tech is used for under capitalism

yogthos , vor 24 Tagen

Seems like the opposite is the case with a blatantly false statement getting massive upvotes from the radlibs of lemmy.

yogthos , vor 23 Tagen

yeah, it's basically capitalist realism

yogthos OP , vor 28 Tagen

history of often repeats as a farce

yogthos , vor 28 Tagen (Bearbeitet vor 28 Tagen)

Communists acknowledge the necessity of censoring harmful ideas and effectively communicate their rationale. Meanwhile, liberals criticize communists for such practices while simultaneously advocating for the suppression of dissenting views. This exposes their hypocritical stance on free speech and open dialogue.

yogthos , vor 26 Tagen

I think a lot of this is basically culture shock of people realizing that their views aren't dominant on the platform and having their deeply held biases questioned.

yogthos OP , vor 29 Tagen

I honestly don't know how people use the internet without an ad blocker. Once in a while I end up using somebody's computer that just has a vanilla browser and its horifying.

yogthos , vor einem Monat

here, as covered by CNN of all places https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeFzeNAHEhU

also here are some subbed clips from official state broadcast of the color revolution attempt

https://media.mas.to/media_attachments/files/112/563/782/759/076/800/original/d60c38f786621419.mp4

the whole video is here https://web.archive.org/web/20200604205421/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDMXV1smwR0

yogthos , vor einem Monat

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/d4e93b93-e413-4e4b-b391-850c1c995a1b.png

yogthos , vor einem Monat

I'm so glad that internet archive exists, it's the best illustration of how the west constantly manipulates media.

yogthos , vor einem Monat

haha yeah, mostly posting for the benefit of other people reading the thread :)

yogthos , vor einem Monat

Yeah it's really hard to find the full one where he actually leaves. Also, as I recall what he was upset about was that the tanks were leaving, and he was against the protests. Don't have a source on hand though.

yogthos , vor einem Monat

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/da92dc9e-a3e6-4486-b76e-9ab7a9d43e5b.jpeg

yogthos , vor einem Monat

Millions of people died in China during the Great Leap, with estimates ranging from 15 to 55 million, making the Great Chinese Famine the largest or second-largest famine in human history

Meanwhile in the real world https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25495509/

Inability to consider context must be a quintessentially American mental characteristic.

conservative estimates, Stalin was responsible for the deaths of at least 7 million people, or about 4.2% of USSRs total population.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1478210316676002

Meanwhile, American settlers massacred so many native inhabitants that it cooled down the climate https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47063973

Then of course, capitalism also brought us such wonders as the African slave trade.

And then we have all the atrocities US regime has been committing around the globe, killing countless millions in the name of capitalism

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/10/the-indonesia-documents-and-the-us-agenda/543534/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jakarta_Method

https://gsp.yale.edu/sites/default/files/walrus_cambodiabombing_oct06.pdf

This is what happens when people get all their education from wikipedia instead of having any actual understanding of the subject.

yogthos , vor einem Monat

The sources I posted are meant to provide context. And what they show is that when you consider what things were like before, communism actually improved lives in a tangible way. While bad things certainly have happened in communist societies, as they do in every human society, overall trajectory is positive. Meanwhile, the atrocities committed in the name of capitalism, and by US in particular, eclipse anything that has happened under communism. US is a blight upon humanity and has brutally repressed progress in every corner of the world.

yogthos , vor einem Monat

It's literally about the question of what types of outcomes each system produces in the long run. And yes, the lives of Ukrainians were massively improved after the revolution.

USSR provided free education to all citizens resulting in literacy rising from 33% to 99.9%:

• http://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/archive/PubEdUSSR.htm
• http://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/archive/anglosov.htm
• http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0000/000013/001300eo.pdf
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likbez

USSR doubled life expectancy in just 20 years. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years. the Semashko system of the USSR increased lifespan by 50% in 20 years. By the 1960's, lifespans in the USSR were comparable to those in the USA:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Soviet_Union
• https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB5054/index1.html

Quality of nutrition improved after the Soviet revolution, and the last time USSR had a famine was in 1940s. CIA data suggests they ate just as much as Americans after WW2 peroid while having better nutrition:

• https://www.scribd.com/document/430076844/CIA-RDP84B00274R000300150009-5-pdf
• https://artir.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/compar1.png?w=640

Meanwhile, let's look at the whole holodomor narrative of yours from a perspective of an actual historian who studied it. During the 1932 famine, the USSR sent aid to affected regions in an attempt to alleviate the famine. According to Mark Tauger in his article, The 1932 Harvest and the Famine of 1933:

While the leadership did not stop exports, they did try to alleviate the famine. A 25 February 1933 Central Committee decree allotted seed loans of 320,000 tons to Ukraine and 240,000 tons to the northern Caucasus. Seed loans were also made to the Lower Volga and may have been made to other regions as well. Kul'chyts'kyy cites Ukrainian party archives showing that total aid to Ukraine by April 1933 actually exceeded 560,000 tons, including more than 80,000 tons of food

Some bring up massive grain exports during the famine to show that the Soviet Union exported food while Ukraine starved. This is fallacious for a number of reasons, but most importantly of all the amount of aid that was sent to Ukraine alone actually exceeded the amount that was exported at the time.

Aid to Ukraine alone was 60 percent greater than the amount exported during the same period. Total aid to famine regions was more than double exports for the first half of 1933.

According to Tauger, the reason why more aid was not provided was because of the low harvest

It appears to have been another consequence of the low 1932 harvest that more aid was not provided: After the low 1931, 1934, and 1936 harvests procured grain was transferred back to peasants at the expense of exports.

Tauger is not a communist, and ultimately this specific article takes the view that the low harvest was caused by collectivization (he factors in the natural causes of the famine in later articles, based on how he completely neglects to mention weather in this article at all its clear that his position shifted over the years). However, its interesting to see that the Soviets really did try to alleviate the famine as best as they could.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2500600

On top of that, the famine was exacerbated by the fact that kulaks slaughtered livestock rather letting it be collectivized https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak#Dekulakization

The reality is that famines were common in Tsarist times, and they were a major drive for the revolution in the first place. After the revolution, lives improved dramatically and famines stopped.

yogthos , vor einem Monat

in your deranged fantasies

yogthos , vor einem Monat

Arguably the US is an offshoot of that cancer

yogthos , vor einem Monat

The whole conspiracy theory started with a claim of millions of Uyghurs being supposedly imprisoned story is based on two highly dubious “studies.”.

However, this claim is completely absurd when you stop and think about it even for a minute. That figure 1 million is repeated again and again. Let's just look at how much space would you actually need to intern one million people.

This is a photo of Rikers Island, New York City's biggest prison. The actual size of a facility interning ten thousand people.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/8df75b1b-a602-4ff5-bc07-cf41204c3cff.jpeg

According to Wikipedia, "The average daily inmate population on the island is about 10,000, although it can hold a maximum of 15,000." Let's assume this is a Xinjiang detention camp, holding ten to fifteen thousand people. How many of these would it take to hold one million people?

Let's do some math:

Rikers Size	Rikers Prisoners	One Million Uyghurs Size
413.2 acres (0.645 square miles)	10,000 to 15,000	43 to 64 square miles

In reality, one million people would probably take more space; all the supposed detention camps we see are much less dense than Rikers.

For comparison, San Francisco is 47 square miles. Amsterdam is 64 square miles. You'd literally need detention camps that total the size of San Francisco or Amsterdam to intern one million Uyghurs. It'd be like looking at a map of California. There's Los Angeles. There's San Diego. And look, there's San Francisco Concentration City with its one million Uyghurs.

Literally visible to the naked eye from space.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/e5bc20b2-6ece-4e6d-9a1e-dfbcb39187a2.jpeg

CHRD states that it interviewed dozens of ethnic Uyghurs in the course of its study, but their enormous estimate was ultimately based on interviews with exactly eight Uyghur individuals. Based on this absurdly small sample of research subjects in an area whose total population is 20 million, CHRD “extrapolated estimates” that “at least 10% of villagers […] are being detained in re-education detention camps, and 20% are being forced to attend day/evening re-education camps in the villages or townships, totaling 30% in both types of camps.” Furthermore, it doesn't even make sense from logistics perspective.

Practically all the stories we see about China trace back to Adrian Zenz is a far right fundamentalist nutcase and not a reliable source for any sort of information. The fact that he's the primary source for practically every article in western media demonstrates precisely what I'm talking about when I say that coverage is divorced from reality.

Zenz is a born-again Christian who lectures at the European School of Culture and Theology. This anodyne-sounding campus is actually the German base of Columbia International University, a US-based evangelical Christian seminary which considers the “Bible to be the ultimate foundation and the final truth in every aspect of our lives,” and whose mission is to “educate people from a biblical worldview to impact the nations with the message of Christ.”

Zenz’s work on China is inspired by this biblical worldview, as he recently explained in an interview with the Wall Street Journal. “I feel very clearly led by God to do this,” he said. “I can put it that way. I’m not afraid to say that. With Xinjiang, things really changed. It became like a mission, or a ministry.”.

Along with his “mission” against China, heavenly guidance has apparently prompted Zenz to denounce homosexuality, gender equality, and the banning of physical punishment against children as threats to Christianity.

Zenz outlined these views in a book he co-authored in 2012, titled Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation. In the tome, Zenz discussed the return of Jesus Christ, the coming wrath of God, and the rise of the Antichrist.

The fact that this nutcase is being paraded as a credible researcher on the subject is absolutely surreal, and it's clear that the methodology of his "research" doesn't pass any kind of muster when examined closely.

It's also worth noting that there is a political angle around the narrative around Xinjiang. For example, here's George Bush's chief of staff openly saying that US wants to destabilize the region, and NED recently admitting to funding Uyghur separatism for the past 16 years on their own official Twitter page. An ex-CIA operative details US operations radicalizing and training terrorists in the region in this book. Here's an excerpt:

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/526825a5-2b0e-40aa-bac2-b2167a723d6d.jpeg

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/d2b09d20-4a7a-4845-880d-aee0a3ac3f3b.jpeg

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/6ac418bd-64c0-4e23-8fa6-9ed85c54d6b3.jpeg

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/fde3d919-b7b2-42bb-b94c-e45d215c5209.jpeg

US has been stoking terrorism in the region while they've been running a propaganda campaign against China in the west. In fact, US even classified Uyghur separatists as a terrorist group at one point https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-was-at-war-uyghur-terrorists-now-claims-etim-doesnt-exist/276916/

Here's an interview with a son of imam killed in Xinjiang https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-06-19/Son-of-imam-assassinated-in-Kashgar-s-2014-mosque-attack-speaks-out-RqNiyrcRuo/index.html

Here's an account from a Pakistani journalist who has been all over Xinjiang (which borders Pakistan) claims that western media reports on "atrocities" are lies. https://dailytimes.com.pk/723317/exposing-the-occidents-baseless-lies-about-xinjiang/

It's also worth noting that the accusations originate entirely from the west while Muslim majority countries support China, and their leaders have visited Xinjiang many times.

• https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/on-eid-xinjiang-imams-defend-china-against-u-s-criticism-1.5425967
• https://www.bolnews.com/latest/2023/07/pak-religious-leaders-nurture-bonds-of-cooperation-with-xinjiang/
• https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/islamic-envoys-say-china-is-protecting-minorities-in-xinjiang-after-five-day-visit

Also notable that whenever western media actually deigns to visit Xinjiang, which is not often, they're unable to produce support for any of their claims of mass imprisonment and oppression, so they opt for insinuations instead https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-china-health-travel-7a6967f335f97ca868cc618ea84b98b9

There's a further list of debunking here if you're interested https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/

The whole thing is very clearly a propaganda blitz that US is cynically using to manipulate impressionable people in the west.

yogthos , vor einem Monat

stay mad wasp

yogthos , vor einem Monat

Enjoy having a new experience in life.

yogthos , vor einem Monat

Ah yes, anybody who disagrees with you is a puppet without independent thought. 🤡