yogthos

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

wow what a brilliant analogy that has zero relation to what's actually happening

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

truth hurts I see

yogthos , vor 2 Monaten

I find the tones are hard, but I find it's easier to remember them within a sentence than for individual worlds. Good news is if you mess it up, context still makes it possible to figure out what you meant.

yogthos , vor 2 Monaten

lol there are just so many words that basically sound the same and mean completely different things

yogthos , vor 2 Monaten

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/d0eadc84-521f-4aa4-970b-3cca278e9f10.png

yogthos , vor 2 Monaten

Living conditions for the majority of the population in Cuba are far better than in any capitalist Latin American country. This is despite the brutal blockade on Cuba by the burger empire. Please go make a clown of yourself elsewhere.

yogthos , vor 2 Monaten

Even if it was true that human nature was inherently greedy and selfish then it would be an argument for creating systems that discourage such behaviors. What you're arguing is akin to saying that you should encourage a person struggling with alcoholism to drink more.

yogthos , vor 2 Monaten

The kind of abject poverty you see in Latin American countries simply does not exist in Cuba. Everyone has access to basic necessities, education, and healthcare. Cuba has even higher life expectancy than US.

yogthos , vor 2 Monaten

Of course, the blockade is doing incredible amounts of harm. My point is that even despite that, Cuba manages to do a better job ensuring a minimal standard of living than capitalist countries in Latin America. What this shows is that communism performs better under extreme stress than capitalism does under best conditions.

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

The stated goal is harming people of Syria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFsFOS5Odno&t=903s

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

This is literally what a US official openly explained https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFsFOS5Odno&t=903s

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

👆 how to say you're a racist without saying you're a racist

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

one of the most successful propaganda campaigns in history

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

No, this is a US official saying that they're plundering Syria in order to make people there suffer. Do you have comprehension problems that prevent you from understanding what's being said in the clip?

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

lol yes!

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

So it works exactly like every other social media app, but made in... China?

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

the capitalist hellscape your children are living in is what's actually shaping them

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

and now you understand how the rest of the world feels about US media

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

Where did I suggest you were an American?

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

good book!

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

please explain what the horrible part is, be specific

• https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/09/15/china-social-credit-system-authoritarian/
• https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/16/chinas-orwellian-social-credit-score-isnt-real/

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

Good thing that the system in China is in the hands of the working majority. If you look at how Chinese political system is structured it becomes clear that it's not in fact in the hands of a small group of people.

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

There is nothing questionable about those choices. For example, the firewall is the reason why China has its own domestic tech industry while the rest of the world is dominated by a handful of US companies. Meanwhile, censorship of capitalist views is good actually. And the idea that the government prosecutes certain ethnic groups has no actual basis in reality. This notion has been debunked to death but people in the west will keep repeating this because that's what they want to believe.

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

Claiming that taking tough measures to arrest the spread of the pandemic instead of letting millions of people die the way west did was a bad decision is the height of psychopathy. You are one sick individual.

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

Majority of people in China actually wanted to have a safe environment. I guess just making shit up is what passes for making an argument in your head. LMAO indeed.

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

Thanks for letting me know you don't have a first clue of how statistics work. I guess that explains your views you form reading your tabloids. 😂

Also, imagine claiming with a straight face that civil gatherings in China are unheard of. What planet are you from even?

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

Certainly a better one than claiming that there are no large civil gatherings in China. 😂

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

You seriously still peddling this bit pf propaganda?

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

Sigh, alright I guess I'll address the nonsense in detail for you. The whole conspiracy theory started with a claim of millions of Uyghurs being supposedly imprisoned story is based on two highly dubious “studies.”.

However, this claim is completely absurd when you stop and think about it even for a minute. That figure 1 million is repeated again and again. Let's just look at how much space would you actually need to intern one million people.

This is a photo of Rikers Island, New York City's biggest prison. The actual size of a facility interning ten thousand people.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/8df75b1b-a602-4ff5-bc07-cf41204c3cff.jpeg

According to Wikipedia, "The average daily inmate population on the island is about 10,000, although it can hold a maximum of 15,000." Let's assume this is a Xinjiang detention camp, holding ten to fifteen thousand people. How many of these would it take to hold one million people?

Let's do some math:

Rikers Size	Rikers Prisoners	One Million Uyghurs Size
413.2 acres (0.645 square miles)	10,000 to 15,000	43 to 64 square miles

In reality, one million people would probably take more space; all the supposed detention camps we see are much less dense than Rikers.

For comparison, San Francisco is 47 square miles. Amsterdam is 64 square miles. You'd literally need detention camps that total the size of San Francisco or Amsterdam to intern one million Uyghurs. It'd be like looking at a map of California. There's Los Angeles. There's San Diego. And look, there's San Francisco Concentration City with its one million Uyghurs.

Literally visible to the naked eye from space.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/e5bc20b2-6ece-4e6d-9a1e-dfbcb39187a2.jpeg

CHRD states that it interviewed dozens of ethnic Uyghurs in the course of its study, but their enormous estimate was ultimately based on interviews with exactly eight Uyghur individuals. Based on this absurdly small sample of research subjects in an area whose total population is 20 million, CHRD “extrapolated estimates” that “at least 10% of villagers […] are being detained in re-education detention camps, and 20% are being forced to attend day/evening re-education camps in the villages or townships, totaling 30% in both types of camps.” Furthermore, it doesn't even make sense from logistics perspective.

Practically all the stories we see about China trace back to Adrian Zenz is a far right fundamentalist nutcase and not a reliable source for any sort of information. The fact that he's the primary source for practically every article in western media demonstrates precisely what I'm talking about when I say that coverage is divorced from reality.

Zenz is a born-again Christian who lectures at the European School of Culture and Theology. This anodyne-sounding campus is actually the German base of Columbia International University, a US-based evangelical Christian seminary which considers the “Bible to be the ultimate foundation and the final truth in every aspect of our lives,” and whose mission is to “educate people from a biblical worldview to impact the nations with the message of Christ.”

Zenz’s work on China is inspired by this biblical worldview, as he recently explained in an interview with the Wall Street Journal. “I feel very clearly led by God to do this,” he said. “I can put it that way. I’m not afraid to say that. With Xinjiang, things really changed. It became like a mission, or a ministry.”.

Along with his “mission” against China, heavenly guidance has apparently prompted Zenz to denounce homosexuality, gender equality, and the banning of physical punishment against children as threats to Christianity.

Zenz outlined these views in a book he co-authored in 2012, titled Worthy to Escape: Why All Believers Will Not Be Raptured Before the Tribulation. In the tome, Zenz discussed the return of Jesus Christ, the coming wrath of God, and the rise of the Antichrist.

The fact that this nutcase is being paraded as a credible researcher on the subject is absolutely surreal, and it's clear that the methodology of his "research" doesn't pass any kind of muster when examined closely.

It's also worth noting that there is a political angle around the narrative around Xinjiang. For example, here's George Bush's chief of staff openly saying that US wants to destabilize the region, and NED recently admitting to funding Uyghur separatism for the past 16 years on their own official Twitter page. An ex-CIA operative details US operations radicalizing and training terrorists in the region in this book. Here's an excerpt:

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/526825a5-2b0e-40aa-bac2-b2167a723d6d.jpeg

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/d2b09d20-4a7a-4845-880d-aee0a3ac3f3b.jpeg

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/6ac418bd-64c0-4e23-8fa6-9ed85c54d6b3.jpeg

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US has been stoking terrorism in the region while they've been running a propaganda campaign against China in the west. In fact, US even classified Uyghur separatists as a terrorist group at one point https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-was-at-war-uyghur-terrorists-now-claims-etim-doesnt-exist/276916/

Here's an interview with a son of imam killed in Xinjiang https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-06-19/Son-of-imam-assassinated-in-Kashgar-s-2014-mosque-attack-speaks-out-RqNiyrcRuo/index.html

Here's an account from a Pakistani journalist who has been all over Xinjiang (which borders Pakistan) claims that western media reports on "atrocities" are lies. https://dailytimes.com.pk/723317/exposing-the-occidents-baseless-lies-about-xinjiang/

It's also worth noting that the accusations originate entirely from the west while Muslim majority countries support China, and their leaders have visited Xinjiang many times.

• https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/on-eid-xinjiang-imams-defend-china-against-u-s-criticism-1.5425967
• https://www.bolnews.com/latest/2023/07/pak-religious-leaders-nurture-bonds-of-cooperation-with-xinjiang/
• https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/islamic-envoys-say-china-is-protecting-minorities-in-xinjiang-after-five-day-visit

Also notable that whenever western media actually deigns to visit Xinjiang, which is not often, they're unable to produce support for any of their claims of mass imprisonment and oppression, so they opt for insinuations instead https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-lifestyle-china-health-travel-7a6967f335f97ca868cc618ea84b98b9

There's a further list of debunking here if you're interested https://redsails.org/the-xinjiang-atrocity-propaganda-blitz/

The whole thing is very clearly a propaganda blitz that US is cynically using to manipulate impressionable people in the west.

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

This comes up often enough that I do have the sources handy. And sure, if you have actual questions/points that aren't just flippant then we can discuss those.

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

No rush, it's a big link dump to go through. Most people don't really bother, so I appreciate the fact that you're willing to actually examine the evidence that's available.

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

I would hope most people are against atrocities. The question is ultimately what the truth of any particular situation is, and what the motivations of the people are. Understanding that is not always easy, but a good rule of thumb is that nations tend to be less than truthful about their geopolitical rivals.

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

The power of the government being premised solely on who has access to the backend data is certainly a novel political theory.

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

You sure could've avoided making a clown of yourself if you bothered reading the links provided

Contrary to common belief, the cities mainly target companies, not individuals.

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

people would look at you as the imbecile that you are of course

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

Maybe if you actually read the links provided then you'd see that your criticism is vapid in the extreme.

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

Let's face it, you can't even find China on a map. You're never going to go to China, you don't give a shit about people living in China. You're just a racist who thinks he's being awful clever. It's sad and pathetic, and everybody can see through it.

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

whatever you say child

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

Getting skinned alive by the men who ran these scumbag exploiter families. I love how even when presented with actual research proving how full of shit you are, you keep digging. I guess runs in the family.

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

Again, these were the people who exploited others in brutal conditions. Hence why they were called fists. The minimal size of the property these fucks had isn't really the counter point you seem to think it is. Keep digging buddy.

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

you keep on digging there buddy

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

I'm not the one trying to rehabilitate the fucking kulaks here.

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

Also a very good point.

yogthos OP , vor 2 Monaten

That's only an issue if you're illiterate. Capitalism is defined as a dictatorship of the capital owning class, and communism is defined as a dictatorship of the working class. It's not complicated. Meanwhile, disagreements that can't translate into tangible action are worthless. Capitalist countries regularly assassinate communists who actually gain political power. See Fred Hampton and MLK as primary examples of this.