GCostanzaStepOnMe ,

Haha, funny way to say "working in the lead mines", comrade.

Cleverdawny OP ,

Comrade, we all know lead poisoning and the need for safety gear are capitalist propaganda! Now, get back in the mines! Production must increase 50% this year, and your state-appointed union representative says it can!

sub_ubi ,

Capital successfully fought to put lead into American's blood and lungs for a century after it was known to be poison. To this day they're still fighting to keep it there.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/04/why-it-took-decades-of-blaming-parents-before-we-banned-lead-paint/275169/

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2016/09/14/report-lead-paint-makers-helped-gov-walker/90349256/

riodoro1 ,

He was joking, save your whataboutism for “serious” arguments

cyclohexane Mod ,

They are not joking. You can see them continuing here: https://lemm.ee/comment/3563759

And this isn't whataboutism (not that it matters). The first commenter ridiculed socialism by using a hypothetical scenario. The second commenter showed with evidence this hypothetical scenario is actually real under capitalism.

sub_ubi ,

When a liberal loses an argument they yell "whataboutism" it's their little white flag

Cleverdawny OP ,

You know, it took until 2003 for Russia to remove leaded gasoline from stations. The Soviets never did it LMFAO

but nice try

cyclohexane Mod ,

EDIT: based on another commenter, OP's claim isn't even factual.

And it took the US until 1996 (after fall of USSR)? Not to mention that it was capitalism (General Motors) that spread the hoax about leaded gasoline being safe, under the guise of scientific research in 1921.

This is not the gotcha you think it is.

TrousersMcPants ,

You're right, America did bad thing, clearly this completely overrides the wrongs of other countries

cyclohexane Mod ,

The first commenter is talking a hypothetical scenario of socialism being bad, so the second commenter (the one you responded to) responded with actual example of that same hypothetical scenario happening, but except by a capitalist power (the US). I don't think your response makes sense at all here.

Gorilladrums ,

No, his response is calling out the whataboutism fallacy. The US doing something bad does not in any way, shape, or form make socialism any less shitty. It's poking fun at the delusional people who still think it's a good ideology despite the overwhelming evidence.

sub_ubi ,

Calling something "Whataboutism" infers a belief in American exceptionalism. You should question that belief.

Gorilladrums ,

No, you're just an idiot. Whataboutism is simply a fallacy. It doesn't infer anything outside of inconsistent logic. If you feel threatened by it then it just shows that you're disingenuous.

sub_ubi ,

Explain the logical flaw in this thread's exchange. Bonus: If you're going with tu quoque, explain it without putting words into anyone's mouth.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2022/03/is-whataboutism-always-a-bad-thing

sub_ubi ,

When you own the means of production it's literally yours. I don't understand the issue.

Sharpiemarker ,

Under communism, the state owns the resources. People are not the state.

cyclohexane Mod ,

That's false. There's no state in communism. See Karl Marx or any Communist writer on this.

BigNote ,

This is a pleasant fiction.

cyclohexane Mod ,

You've gotta try reading beyond 6th grade level fiction before judging books on socio-economics.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,

Harry Potter would be even more powerful as an insult. (I never read it for some reason, and now never will)

phoenixz ,

What is it with these commie types that they believe communism will leave everyone to become hippies who can do whatever they want and all required resources just magically arrive when they need.

It really is watching children believe in Santa Claus

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