knova ,
@knova@infosec.pub avatar

One of the biggest reasons I switched was of all the MS telemetry bullshit. That and I don’t know if I ever legally paid for a copy of Windows and I was tired of playing the key gen / cracked ISO game.

I’ve used Debian flavors of Linux for servers before so switching to it as my full time desktop OS was not hard. That, and, I don’t really use my desktop for stuff that uncommon. Most of the stuff I need I can get out of the box from the software center.

Marduk73 ,
@Marduk73@sh.itjust.works avatar

I liked that one band before they became popular. That's what you sound like.

milicent_bystandr ,

I listen to band's music because I like their music.

You listen to band because you hate music.

We are not the same?

the16bitgamer ,
@the16bitgamer@lemmy.world avatar

I use Linux because of the 3D desktop cube. Who doesn’t love the cube!

TheFish ,

Beryl?

explodicle ,

Wtf is her problem with the cube?

mexicancartel ,

And wobbly windows

rtxn ,

Sisko and Picard.

schnurrito ,

ahhh i remember being a bored teenager spending his life customizing his desktop too...

Nowadays I just want a working system where I can get things done, haven't touched my desktop environment settings in a while and certainly don't use things like cubes or wobbly windows anymore.

NorthWestWind ,
@NorthWestWind@lemmy.world avatar

I use Linux cuz I was bored one summer

MentorKitten ,

That'll probably be me this summer once I organize and backup my files

NorthWestWind ,
@NorthWestWind@lemmy.world avatar

I didn't even backup. I just went for it

RizzRustbolt ,

I use linux because I can make it look like Vegetable Valley from the Kirby games.

jollyrogue ,

You use Linux because cuz Linux is good.

I use Linux because the BSDs are less popular. I want to get paid and have corporate applications on my desktop.

We are not the same. 😂

glitchdx ,

You're absolutely right. Microsoft has systematically killed every reason I have for having their software on my pc. I'm not switching to linux because linux got better (although it certainly has). I'm ditching windows because windows now sucks more than I can bare.

FreshLight ,
@FreshLight@sh.itjust.works avatar

Let's not repeat the mistakes of (some!) old Unix-Heads and just welcome all newbies, please <3

cerement ,
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

the correct greeting is “I use Nix BTW”, Arch is so yesterday

lugal ,

I use ubuntu by the way 🤓

jpablo68 ,

I use Debian BTW 👴

milicent_bystandr ,

Oh, snap!

AVincentInSpace ,

I recently tried switching from Arch to NixOS and the experience I had can best be described as apalling. I have not had a new user experience this bad since my first dip into Ubuntu dependency hell back in 2016. I'd like to preface this by saying I've been a Linux user in one form or another for almost half my life at this point, and in that time this may well be the most I've struggled to get things to work.

Apparently they have this thing called home-manager which looks pretty cool. I'd like to give that a shot. Apparently I have to enable a new Nix channel before I can install it. I'm guessing that's the equivalent of a PPA? Well, alright. nix-channel --add ..., nix-channel --update (oh, so it waits until now to tell me I typo'd the URL. Alright), and now to run the installation command and... couldn't find home-manager? Huh?? I just installed it. I google the error message and apparently you have to reboot after adding a new nix-channel and doing nix-channel --update before it will actually take effect, and the home-manager guide didn't tell me that. Ah well, at least it works now.

I didn't want to wait for KDE and its 6 morbillion dependencies to download, so I opted for Weston. It wasn't a thing in configuration.nix (programs.weston.enable=true; threw an error and there was no page for it on the NixOS wiki), but it was available in nix-env (side note: why does nix-env -i take upwards of 30 seconds just to locate a package?), so I installed it, tried to run it, and promptly got an inscrutable "Permission denied" error with one Google result that had gone unresolved. Oh well, that's alright, I guess that's not supported just yet -- I'll install Sway instead. Great, now I have a GUI and all I need is a browser. nix-env -i firefox gave me the firefox-beta binary which displayed the crash reporter before even opening a browser window. Okay, note to self: always use configuration.nix. One programs.firefox.enable=true; and one nixos-rebuild switch later, I'm off to the races. Browser is up and running. Success! Now I'd like to install a Rust development environment so I can get back to work. According to NixOS wiki, I can copy paste this incantation into a shell.nix file and have rustup in there. Cool. After resolving a few minor hangups regarding compiler version, manually telling rustc where the linker is, and telling nix-shell that I also need cmake (which was thankfully pretty easy), I'm met with a "missing pkg-config file for openssl" error that I have absolutely no idea how to begin to resolve.

I'm trying to stick with it, I really am -- I love the idea that I can just copy my entire configuration to a brand new install by copying one file and the contents of my home directory and have it be effectively the same machine -- but I'm really struggling here. Surely people wouldn't rave about NixOS as much as they do if it was really this bad? What am I doing wrong?

Also unrelated but am I correct in assuming that I cannot install KDE without also installing the X server?

krzyz ,
@krzyz@szmer.info avatar

I made a similar switch half a year ago and thankfully for me it was relatively painless. Some stuff got significantly harder to set up (e.g. getting a nice rust development environment, getting ROCm to work with some torch-based project), but once all that is done I have complete or near-complete setup instructions on how to do it again, so I am hoping the trade-off here will be worth it in the future (or I will drop nixos and move to something else if I get bored, time will tell).

For the beginners, I recommend to go with the flakes setup right from the start, here is a nice guide that you can use as a reference: https://nixos-and-flakes.thiscute.world. I followed it through for the initial setup and I don't remember having to think about channels, at least initially: I picked the most recent stable one right at the start and only updated it to another - the unstable one - later on when I wanted to get some fresh kernel version. The upgrade was pretty painless, as the channel is just the root input of the flake: change that one line, nixos-rebuild switch and it's done. With flakes I occasionally run nix flake update (+ rebuild) to get newer versions of packages (as the flake will be locked to the state of the channel at the time you install/update). If anything (well, most) of the things go wrong, just go back to the previous build while you figure out what's causing issues (much better than the Arch experience of something going wrong after the update - better read Arch news regularly 🙃).

Besides updating my configuration to add/remove packages and doing the same for development environments (btw, for getting compile time dependencies into nix-shell, you need to add them to buildInputs of the shell: https://nixos.wiki/wiki/FAQ/I_installed_a_library_but_my_compiler_is_not_finding_it._Why%3F ), I only ever use nix profile install nixpkgs#<package> if I want to just run some app without adding it permanently. After these 6 months of use, I have found out I am getting much less software/package cruft building up in my system. If I stop using something (especially a big think like a DE), I can just remove it from the configuration, rebuild and that's it. With Arch, I probably even forgot about half of the things I installed there over the years.

milicent_bystandr ,

Nix just had internal politics. Reject Nix; embrace Guix!

"I use FOSS btw"

gwen ,

nixos is the greatest .config file

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

linux is not mainstream 😂

AnUnusualRelic ,
@AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

You're clearly not running servers.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

if we are counting servers linux was never not mainstream

trxxruraxvr ,

The internet existed before Linux

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

but it just wasnt the same 😉

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

What does that even mean?

Fridgeratr ,

¿Porque no los dos?

Enfors ,
@Enfors@lemm.ee avatar

My one thing I feel like I can brag about in tech circles is that I switched to Linux in 1995 (Linux kernel version 1.2.1), and I haven't looked back since. This was even before Windows 95 was released.

lightnegative ,

Yeah, but, like, I use Arch btw

cerement ,
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

ah, but did you use Stage 1 Gentoo? huh? huh?

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

That was before Gentoo

Illecors ,
@Illecors@lemmy.cafe avatar

I've been occasionally giving Linux a shot since bubuntu 5.04 and it would never stick. I guess many things aligned at some point in 2017-18 when I just gave up on windows and microsoft in general. I've been sticking to my beloved gnome, fighting it to do things it wasn't built to.

And then came 2019 and sway 1.0 got released. It felt like reddit imploded. Decided to finally give this "tiling nonsense" a try. A week or so later it finally clicked and I've not been fighting my system anymore.

Fast forward a few years and I'm now a Gentoo, OpenRC, OpenRC-init and Hyprland nutter :)

Emerald ,

bubuntu

That needs to be a real thing

buttfarts ,

I am also an on/off Linux user since Debian. Windows 10 has been fine for me and I would live here forever in the blissful ignorance of OS apathy but when support for it stops in 2025 and I am force marched into the Windows 11 I may jump ship and run off into the wilds of Linux again.

Doolbs ,

I'm laughing.

Tiling nonsense!

Tiling is ...the best.

hypna ,

Linux is a great server OS. It's an okay desktop OS.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

To be fair there is not good desktop OS

SeattleRain ,

It's true, but I do I good Linux?

BeigeAgenda , (Bearbeitet )
@BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

Plot twist Windows has always been bad.

s_s ,

Windows has always been good at making the non-experienced feel comfortable and taking advantage of them.

Swarfega ,

I disagree. In a business environment it is actually really good, or at least was pre-Azure. I dislike that they are trying to push people to Azure instead of on-prem.

For home use it's been pretty poor since Windows 8 and seems to be turning to shit since Windows 11.

Windows 11 did one good for me though. It's been enough to push me to properly give Linux a try again. Proton has been a major step forward as gaming has been the main reason I never stuck. I'm currently spending more time in Arch (btw) than Windows.

BeigeAgenda ,
@BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

Microsoft has always been good at catering to businesses and hooking them on windows+office+etc.

But there has always been better alternatives around, OS/2 was so much better than windows 3.x, and WordPerfect was better than word. I'm sure there are countless other examples.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

It has always been

ordellrb ,

yes, but now it gets more obvious to more people

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