antonim ,

there's only seven stories in the world

There isn't. That's a completely nonsensical statement, no serious scholar of litearture/film/etc. would claim something of the sort. While there have been attempts to analyse the "basic" stories and narrative structures (Propp's model of fairy tales, Greimas' actantial model, Campbell's well-known hero's journey), they're all far from universally applicable or satisfying.

Jax ,

there's only seven stories in the world

This, to me, sounds like the opinion of someone who doesn't read for entertainment. No, manga does not count.

If your only exposure to stories are TV shows and movies... yeah it's gonna seem like there aren't very many types of stories.

Gabu ,

No, manga does not count.

"Nuuuuh, the most diverse medium with the wildest stories doesn't count!! I'll poopy my pants if you count it"

Jax ,

It is baffling that you would step forward and suggest that manga is somehow better than Japanese literature. Even further baffling are the people upvoting this.

As I said, the opinions of people who have never read for entertainment.

Edit: This is coming from someone who follows JJK leaks.

Gabu ,

Japanese literature

You mean generic isekai ?

doofy77 ,

Light novels don't count.

Gabu ,

"Nuuuuu-uuuuuh! Light nobels dun count! I'm pooping my poopy pants!!!1!"

Jax ,

A story is not measured in quality by the amount of words it has, which it seems is all light novel readers ever seem to be able to talk about.

esc27 ,

What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 (written at least 2200 years ago)

Prunebutt ,

Not the same thing, dog. Being inspired by other things is different than plagiarism.

Octopus1348 ,
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Humans learn from other creative works, just like AI. AI can generate original content too if asked.

Prunebutt ,

AI creates output from a stochastic model of its' training data. That's not a creative process.

Even_Adder ,

What does that mean, and isn't that still something people can employ for their creative process?

Prunebutt ,

LLMs analyse their inputs and create a stochastic model (i.e.: a guess of how randomness is distributed in a domain) of which word comes next.

Yes, it can help in a creative process, but so can literal noise. It can't "be creative" in itself.

Even_Adder ,

How that preclude these models from being creative? Randomness within rules can be pretty creative. All life on earth is the result of selection on random mutations. Its output is way more structured and coherent than random noise. That's not a good comparison at all.

Either way, generative tools are a great way for the people using to create with, no model has to be creative on its own.

Prunebutt ,

How that preclude these models from being creative?

They lack intentionality, simple as that.

Either way, generative tools are a great way for the people using to create with, no model has to be creative on its own.

Yup, my original point still stands.

Even_Adder ,

How is intentionality integral to creativity?

Prunebutt ,

Are you serious?

Intentionality is integral to communication. Creative art is a subset of communication.

Even_Adder ,

I was asking about creativity, not art. It's possible for something to be creative and not be art.

Prunebutt ,

I still posit that ceativity requires intentionality.

irmoz ,

A person sees a piece of art and is inspired. They understand what they see, be it a rose bush to paint or a story beat to work on. This inspiration leads to actual decisions being made with a conscious aim to create art.

An AI, on the other hand, sees a rose bush and adds it to its rose bush catalog, reads a story beat and adds to to its story database. These databases are then shuffled and things are picked out, with no mind involved whatsoever.

A person knows why a rose bush is beautiful, and internalises that thought to create art. They know why a story beat is moving, and can draw out emotional connections. An AI can't do either of these.

steakmeoutt ,

LLM AI doesn’t learn. It doesn’t conceptualise. It mimics, iterates and loops. AI cannot generate original content with LLM approaches.

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