Why can't I just buy it without being charged for preinstalled spyware? ( lemmy.world ) Englisch

Rikj000 , vor 4 Monaten

I hate that nowadays everything comes with pre-installed spyware and that they charge you for it makes it even worse..

• Want a TV? Suck on our Android TV with Google spyware embedded
• Want a phone? Get our Android with Google spyware, or go for an Apple with Apple spyware
• Want a computer? We'll shove Windows spyware down your throat

Ffs I just want devices that I own to not spy on me, and I can't even buy them anymore..

Each of them require flashing a custom privacy respecting OS onto it,
and that's a real problem..

Clent , vor 4 Monaten

Apple spyware? Cute that you make shit up to justify your victimhood. The vendors that install actual spyware appreciate your ignorance.

Rikj000 , vor 4 Monaten

Educate yourself fruity,
Apple does spy on you

Clent , vor 4 Monaten

You made the accusation, you back it up. I'm not doing the leg work for you.

Good_morning , vor 4 Monaten

Apple's entire schtick is the walled off garden where they can control what you're allowed to do and yes they spy on it

Clent , vor 4 Monaten

You keep making that claim about spying without attempting to back it up.

Good_morning , vor 4 Monaten

You're confusing me with others, just the once, but hey, you're free to lick apple's boots. Fairly common knowledge that just about everything corporation that can include spyware does. You think Apple doesn't track every purchase you make on their platform and utilize that data in reference to your name, phone number, email, geo-location, bundle it altogether and sell to advertisers?

Clent , vor 4 Monaten

Yes. Free to think it because it's true. Apple doesn't sell their users out, they get their money up front on the hardware....the thing people like you call the Apple Tax.

Rikj000 , vor 4 Monaten

Here are a few examples, but if you do some research like I told you to, you'll stumble upon many more:

• Apple ignored/ignores disabling of "Share iPhone Analytics":
  https://gizmodo.com/apple-iphone-privacy-dsid-analytics-personal-data-test-1849807619
• Apple started scanning your local files even if you do not use iCloud / Apple services:
  https://sneak.berlin/20230115/macos-scans-your-local-files-now/
• Apple (allegedly) left in a backdoor to iPhones (likely on purpose and in cooperation with government officials):
  https://www.kaspersky.com/about/press-releases/2023_kaspersky-discloses-iphone-hardware-feature-vital-in-operation-triangulation-case

Clent , vor 4 Monaten

Click bait

Click bait

Hardware flaw

None of this is spyware. Not a single piece.

If I cared I could have guessed these were some of the examples you added to your "Apple is bad head cannon" but these still aren't what is being alleged by the original poster, spyware.

At best you can claim Apple is using terms and conditions to add wiggle room but again, not spyware.

I asked if you know what spyware is but I get that it doesn't matter. Your head cannon is unbeatable and it's easier to dismiss me as a no nothing asshole. The crowd has spoke, this technology forum is more interested in groupthink than technology.

Rikj000 , vor 4 Monaten

What are your sources for debunking mine?
Besides you just not liking to face the truth?

Blanket surveillance is not clickbait,
it's spyware, and a problem.

But sure continue to stick your head in the sand,
that will surely help humanity beat this problem.

oce , vor 4 Monaten

Right, Apple is a champion of open source and transparency.

Clent , vor 4 Monaten

That wasn't the accusation.

There are many who use Apple laptops as Linux laptops.

crimroy , vor 4 Monaten

Same with Windows computers. You make no sense

Clent , vor 4 Monaten

There are a lot of smart people making sure Apple hardware supports Linux. There is a limited number of variations, the hardware itself has high built quality and Apple pushes support into the Linux community so the hardware can more easily run Linux.

The same cannot be said about any random windows laptop.

As others have noted, if you want a Linux first laptop, there are options.

However this idea that Apple spies on its users has no merit. It's a claim I have only witnessed being made by the witless.

I've been in the internet long enough to know not to expect fools to accept they are fools.

Unlike the morons of the internet, I am always ready to be proven wrong. However, it doesn't look like that's about to happen here.

wrekone , vor 4 Monaten

Have you considered that your approach may contribute to your difficulties dealing with such people? The tone of your messages is extremely aggressive.

Samsy , vor 4 Monaten

Nice list, I would add routers (not everywhere). But for example here in Germany you get a device from your ISP for free but don't try to change the DNS settings because your ISP wants to know what you are doing online.

Only alternative is a fritzbox which is highly overpriced for a simple router+modem. >200€ for a cablerouter.

I had to buy a used fritzbox, need to nearly hacked them for activating the deactivated bridge-mode and put a cheap Asus router on it with flashed openwrt.

I needed 6 months for the whole setup.

LodeMike , vor einem Monat

You can double nat if you want.

markstos , vor 4 Monaten

Buy a Framework, System76 or something else with first class Linux support.

TimeNaan OP , vor 4 Monaten

Love their concept but I just can't afford it. My problem isn't finding a machine that works well with Linux. It's finding a machine that I can afford. And the stupid windows fee for something I will immediately uninstall is a big deal to me.

lud , vor 4 Monaten

I think most Lenovo and dell computers provide you with the option to go without an OS or something like Ubuntu.

TimeNaan OP , vor 4 Monaten

Only select top-end models in my country unfortunately.