Debian used to be so good. What happened!? ( lemmy.world )

jabjoe , vor 22 Tagen

I've been on Debian Testing for my own desktops for about 15 years now. Sometimes as a Frankendebian mixing in SID/unstable. Sometimes mainly unstable, but mostly just Testing.

It rarely breaks, but when it does, it's a learning opportunity. Stable for servers and other people's desktops. Maybe with backports. Flatpacks if this no other option.

You don't get 100% solid and 100% new. Ever. With anything.

corsicanguppy , vor 22 Tagen

A someone who worked in OS security, I beg you dont use flatpaks.

jabjoe , vor 22 Tagen

As I said, "if this no other option". And to be honest, that was once, for a few weeks before the new KiCad hit Debian repos. And only because hardware team wouldn't wait to switch, so to open stuff, I needed it too.

lightnegative , vor 22 Tagen

As someone who works, flatpak's solve a bunch of problems, freeing me up to continue working.

Security issues are just a class of issue; no more or less important than other issues

ninth_plane , vor 22 Tagen

I'm considering moving to Debian Stable plus Flathub for graphical desktop packages like Firefox, it works well on the Steam Deck. SteamOS also provides Distrobox which helps in some cases.

renzev OP , vor 21 Tagen

Flatpak is awesome, I love it so much. It lets users pick a distro based on the unique features that distro provides, without having to worry about whether their favourite apps are packaged. Since you're considering switching to debian+flatpak, here is a list of pitfalls I've run into in flatpak so far, maybe this can save you some troubleshooting:

• You need to have a thing called an "xdg dekstop portal" installed. Otherwise filepickers will be broken. On Debian this should be a dependency of flatpak, so it should be installed by default tho.
• If you're manually restarting Xorg without using a display manager, make sure the xdg desktop portal process doesn't get started twice. Otherwise it will be broken
• As far as I understand, there's no way to use xdg desktop portal to forward an entire directory through to a flatpak'd app, unless the app itself asks specifically for a directory. So stuff like opening a .html file that references a .css file in the same directory with a flatpak'd browser will be broken, unless you manually make an exception using Flatseal or flatpak override.
• Make sure your root filesystem is mounted with "shared" propagation, otherwise umount commands won't propagate into flatpak's sandbox, and drives will get stuck in a weird state where they're mounted in some namespaces, but not others. This should be the default in Debian tho.
• If flatpak'd Firefox has ugly bitmap fonts, follow this workaround

Anyway, this is just my experience running Flatapk in Void, hopefully it works smoother for you on Debian.

slacktoid , vor 20 Tagen

Sounds like you need to be using slackware.

crispy_kilt , vor 21 Tagen

Just use the Mozilla .deb

MicrondeMMMMMMM , vor 21 Tagen

I don't have issues yet on stable 12.5 but I plan to switch to nixos eventually.

Vilian , vor 22 Tagen

when i see a debian user i see a future fedora user

lemmy_nightmare , vor 21 Tagen

When I see a Fedora user, I see a future Arch user btw

AdrianTheFrog , vor 21 Tagen

This is funny because on a laptop I had I did this exact same progression - I started on Debian, but it didn’t have the right kernel version for my audio drivers, so I switched to Fedora, but it was running slowly (probably because of gnome, it lets you choose so this was my fault) so I moved to arch (with xfce) because it has a reputation for being relatively lightweight. It worked better, but it took longer to get working with the unusual chromebook hardware.

nexussapphire , vor 21 Tagen

Man a laptop new enough to require a newer kernel but slow enough for gnome to be slow. That's an annoying spot to be man.

AdrianTheFrog , vor 21 Tagen

It wasn’t that new (2017), it just had weird hardware which iirc only recently got supported without proprietary drivers by the new audio system.

nexussapphire , vor 21 Tagen

That makes a lot more sense. I remember living with $200 laptops for a while and that's kinda what I was thinking initially.

Vilian , vor 21 Tagen

idk i can do everything that arch can do, with distrobox and having a immutable distro on top

iopq , vor 21 Tagen

When I see an Arch user, I see a future NixOS user FWIW

MehBlah , vor 21 Tagen

I can't remember the last time I installed Debian and it failed. I last installed it a month ago. Gnome takes some tweaking for me. Mostly to get that stock Ubuntu feel. Nothing extension manager can't do.

iaMLoWiQ , vor 21 Tagen

Debian is a server OS. Running it on desktop is like having frying oil for dinner.

ultratiem , vor 21 Tagen

See that’s the thing, Debian was never good

westyvw , vor 21 Tagen

You misspelled Ubuntu.

ultratiem , vor 21 Tagen

Typical Debian user clinging onto their dementia.