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Skua , in The first time I went to Spain I learned that they used a different set of playing cards

Is there a particular reason that the French style is so much more abstract than the others?

Jerkface ,

I have no idea, but it looks like they would be much easier to paint with brushes. Or maybe it's to simplify printing with a press; simple shapes, one color each. Just wondering aloud.

dustyData ,

Suit evolution is quite an interesting topic. The first known card decks were usually made of several hundreds of cards and were not standardized, some didn't even have suits. Symbols, images and shapes varied greatly as they were usually hand painted. This European suits are offshoots of Islamic suits. Most likely, each of these suit styles was an attempt to standardize some game or production at different historical points in time and through the interpretation by entirely different artists. The common theory for French abstraction is that they are much simpler symbols which are faster and easier to reproduce in large quantities. Particularly easy to engrave on the first woodwork prints for mass production.

Skua ,

Interesting, thank you!

Cube6392 ,
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Cheaper to print in bulk

njm1314 , in The first time I went to Spain I learned that they used a different set of playing cards

Oh God poor Italy, a nation torn apart not even able to see the same when it comes to playing cards. Truly a cursed people

Scrollone ,

I mean, up until the '50s we didn't even speak the same language... every region had their own language (Italians called them "dialect", but they're in fact different langauges). Then television came and unified the language (standard Italian is just the dialect of Tuscany).

Italy is a very young country. Sure, the Ancient Romans unified the whole Europe, but Italy has only became a nation in 1861. Pretty young country if you ask me.

grozzle ,

I like the story of mid-1800s crowds shouting "viva L’Italia!" and half the crowd wondering "who is Talia? Garibaldi's wife?"

thepreciousboar ,

Wait until you see that every regione has their own drawings for the same suits

WaterSword , (Bearbeitet ) in The first time I went to Spain I learned that they used a different set of playing cards
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Omg! One of my obsessions!!!

Whenever I travel somewhere, as a souvenir, I buy the local design of playing cards. Even within the colour-regions there are many variations. I might be biased because I’m dutch, but the Dutch Cut is one of my favourites, because of the architecture on the aces!

In Italy every region has their own design! (Even within the ones shown in this map.)

EvacuateSoul ,

even in the colored areas

...of the cards, I eventually understood.

WaterSword ,
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Oops, maybe that was unclear. I meant even within each area of the map; blue, yellow, orange, green there are regional variations in designs!

calcopiritus ,

In Spain every single playing card company has its own design (even if they are all swords, sticks, coins and cups), probably more than one. I don't think I've ever seen the same design twice, every house I go to has different cards.

WaterSword ,
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Yeah that happens a lot in the rest of the world too. In Italy there are two main manufacturers and they each have their own slight variations upon every regional design. Here in NL I don’t even see the classic (carta mundi brand) dutch style anymore. It’s mostly American cards here now.

neidu2 , in The first time I went to Spain I learned that they used a different set of playing cards

Huh, pretty cool. I live in the blue area, and always thought others used the same type, because that's what I've seen in all the places I've been. Is there data available for the rest of the world?

Servais OP ,
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Found this website that should answer your question: https://www.wopc.co.uk/explore/suits

neidu2 ,

Thanks, but that URL doesn't load on my phone, so I'll check it out on my PC tomorrow. I'm curious if all the countries I've visited have used French style.

WaterSword ,
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In latin America spanish style cards are often used, and you might find some southern italian designs with italian-americans. But for the most part the rest of the world uses the standard “french” suits.

Also, nowadays if you ask for a deck of cards in most of the other places, you’re still likely to get a french-suited deck. Usually the american style (think of your typical bycicle brand card deck).

When I tried to buy a dutch style deck here in the Netherlands they didn't even have it at my local board game store! I had to order them online.

neidu2 ,

There's a Dutch suit too?? I feel like some island inhabitant who just learned that there's a whole world out there full of people, planes, porn, and pop culture, after having grown up alone with his coconuts. This is definitely a rabbit hole I need to explore.

Only Latin American country I've been to is Brazil, and at least the deck of cards we had there was French suit.

WaterSword ,
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It’s not it’s own suit, we use french suits. But the design is it’s own thing, yeah!

WaterSword ,
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The brazil thing seems logical, since Portugal uses french suited cards too.

Professorozone , in [How much does your meal cost] €3.75 meal at a Danish Engineering company

I'd be hungry again in like 10 minutes.

Aux , in [How much does your meal cost] €3.75 meal at a Danish Engineering company
OhmsLawn , in Meal at office canteen in Zurich: CHF 14.50 (~ €15.10)

Food in Zurich can be so goddamned expensive. I spent the last few days of a trip there. Beautiful city, fantastic transportation, honestly, not a horrifically expensive hotel, but the food was brutal. We ended up doing a lot of snacking from the co-op supermarket.

Drusas ,

Sounds like the opposite of visiting Japan, where travel and lodging are expensive but amazing food can be had for under ¥1000.

Noodle07 , in Meal at office canteen in Zurich: CHF 14.50 (~ €15.10)

Oh god it's so bad, I'm about to apply for a job on campus and I really hope to get the job just so I can get back to eat at the campus restorant again!

pivot_root , in Meal at office canteen in Zurich: CHF 14.50 (~ €15.10)

That is ridiculously small for the price. Is it meant to make a profit or something?

DaPorkchop_ ,

In my experience that's a pretty normal price, everything here (and especially food) is just super expensive.

khannie ,
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Welp. Guess I'm never visiting Switzerland so. That is a sad looking meal for 15 euros.

Out of interest, what's the damage for a medium Big Mac meal there?

DaPorkchop_ ,

Last I checked, a small Big Mac menu is somewhere around 12.50, I don't think they offer a medium version.

alehc OP ,

Yes probably is for profit as it is catered by migros, one of the largest supermarket chains here. Some floors in the office have some discount (11chf instead of 14), so maybe those companies pay migros to allow their employees get cheaper meals.

Servais , in Meal at office canteen in Zurich: CHF 14.50 (~ €15.10)
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Thank you for sharing!

thepreciousboar , in 3,25€ lunches at a work canteen in Spain

How much is your company spending for every 3.25€ you spend?

sunzu , in Meal at office canteen in Zurich: CHF 14.50 (~ €15.10)

Aint Swiss wage is like double EU avg

This seems about double Germany we saw.

So kinda checks out?

FunCube ,

Don't forget the lower taxes in Switzerland... So it is about equal :D

ogeist , in Meal at office canteen in Zurich: CHF 14.50 (~ €15.10)

In Germany, I pay 8€ for Main dish, side dish, salad and a drink in die Kantine. Outside it would be almost double for the same. How much does this cost outside your Firma?

alehc OP ,

That's hard to tell. Usually cheapish "main dishes" cost like 15, probably a soup for 5, but I don't eat out much so I'm not sure.

De_Narm , in Meal at office canteen in Zurich: CHF 14.50 (~ €15.10)

Glad to finally see something without a soft drink included - I like the soup much more.

What are those fried bits? They kinda look like small Gnocchi or something similar.

Enkrod ,

What are those fried bits? They kinda look like small Gnocchi or something similar.

Should be "Knöpfli". Gnocchi are primarily made from potatoes or potato flour, sometimes combined with wheat flour and egg, Knöpfle/Knöpfli are more similar to the swabian Spätzle and common in Switzerland, it's made from eggs, flour and water or milk.

NoIWontPickAName ,

I see 2 soft drinks there

De_Narm ,

A soft drink is any water-based flavored drink
Water isn't flavored and soup isn't a drink.

NoIWontPickAName ,

Is that soup? I thought it was orange juice.

I’ve always heard soft drink as the opposite of a hard drink, like one that has alcohol in it

Drusas ,

In American English, "soft drink" almost always refers specifically to soda.

NoIWontPickAName ,

I thought the brown stuff was the soup

NoIWontPickAName ,

Also, I checked Wikipedia and it includes water and says what I did about alcohol

sneezycat , in 3,25€ lunches at a work canteen in Spain
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For reference, a normal "menú del día" (daily menu) in Spain goes anywhere from 9€ to 18€+.

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