Lightfire228 ,

I feel like the people who complain about systemd have never tried to mess with sysVinit scripts before

6+ years ago, I was trying to configure a touchscreen HAT for a raspberry pi, and dicking with the init.rc script was a massive pain

Meansalladknifehands ,

The alternatives to systemd isn't init.d or some other legacy init systems. I use runit, pretty easy to understand and use. Stop being lazy dude

yournamehere ,

anyone ever seen a goldwing?
it was supposed to be a motorcycle
but for some reason has a fridge, microwave and what not added.

it is still a motorcycle. you can ride it.
it starts right away and has all sorts of extra functions.

and now look at it. it is an ugly piece of engineering that only the weirdest of people like.

dont ride a goldwing. dont use systemd.

JungleJim ,

No clue about motorcycles but those things look neat and win awards. I want one now. Thanks for turning me on to this neat bike.

yournamehere ,

yeah sure. enjoy that and some systemd. everyone likes different things.

WillBalls ,

What are you talking about? The goldwing has been consistently hailed as one of the best touring motorcycle for almost 40 years. Every long distance rider I've spoken to says the goldwing is their favorite bike for cross country rides, and the ones who have sold theirs for a BMW or Harley touring bike have expressed regrets about changing.

Just because something has a lot of features, doesn't mean it's bad.

yournamehere ,

where i live ppl laugh about goldwing riders.
it is considered the idiots bike:
https://avida.cs.wright.edu/personal/wischgol/fsr/Guenther/Goldwing.html

..just one example.

google suggest in my country autocompletes goldwing with "mikrowelle" (microwave).

maybe we just have a different taste.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Person: Systemd bad

Me: why

Them: IDK

Tartas1995 ,

The argument is basically that it does too much and as the motto of Unix was basically "make it do 1 thing and that very well", systemd goes against that idea.

You might think it is silly because what is the issue with it doing many things. Arguably, it harms customization and adaptability, as you can't run only 2/3 of systemd with 1/3 being replaced with that super specific optimisation for your specific use case. Additional, again arguably, it apparently makes it harder to make it secure as it has a bigger attack surface.

BestBouclettes ,

And funnily enough, the kernel doesn't follow the unix philosophy either as far as I know.

Tartas1995 ,

I have heard that before in a joke setting, I would love to hear genuine arguments for and against it.

loutr ,
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The debate is as old as Linux itself, and well documented.

Tartas1995 ,

It doesn't seem to be a debate. "Microkernels are better" "yes but I don't have the time for it" but thanks

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