EU must cut ties with Israel to prevent Gaza genocide - UN rapporteur ( www.euronews.com ) Englisch

nevemsenki , vor 3 Monaten

Not to rain on this parade, but the EU took forever to sanction even fucking russia, and even that never became a complete cut in trade.

Linkerbaan OP , vor 3 Monaten

True but it did take a lot less civilian casualties. Israel has killed more than three times the amount of civilians as Russia so far, percentually far more children.

gian , vor 3 Monaten

True but it did take a lot less civilian casualties.

And so ? Are the civilians from Ukraine less worth than the civilians from Gaza ? What is the number at which the EU should do something then ?

hitmyspot , vor 3 Monaten

I think you’re misinterpreting their point, europe may be slow to react, but they will. It is now past the level of civilian casualties, so the point about saying europe is slow is correct, but the tone of hopelessness is hollow.

Linkerbaan OP , vor 3 Monaten

Of course not. The point of sanctions should be that when the war crimes get so bad the comes financial pressure to stop doing them.

gian , vor 3 Monaten

I agree. But the problem is to understand who is committing a war crime. In this situation, by the international laws, both side are committing a war crime, technically. So, who we should hit with the sanctions ?

Linkerbaan OP , vor 3 Monaten

By international law only israel has committed a war crime as it condones resistance against occupation by any means necessary.

Also the israeli blockade on Palestine is one of the most flagrant violations of humanitarian law and already "sanctions" Palestinians.

gian , vor 3 Monaten

By international law only israel has committed a war crime as it condones resistance against occupation by any means necessary.

By international laws, also fighting without an uniform is a crime.
By international laws, you must not use human shields.
The Geneva convention also stipulate that if you don't apply it with me, you have no right to ask to be applied to you.

So, we are still sure that only one side is committing a war crime ? If not, why not ask also to the other side to respect the international laws.

And if we decide this is not a war but an act of terrorism, why we should ask to the victim side (in this specific occasion) to respect a law that do not apply to the situation and let the offending side to do what it want ? Only because they are playing dirty ?

Also the israeli blockade on Palestine is one of the most flagrant violations of humanitarian law and already “sanctions” Palestinians.

Gaza has a border with Egypt and, as far as I know, Israel cannot do anything to close this border (aside attacking Egypt of course). So, at the minimum, we should also punish Egypt for blocking the Palestinians.

Linkerbaan OP , vor 3 Monaten

The Geneva convention also stipulate that if you don’t apply it with me, you have no right to ask to be applied to you.

See the funny part here is that israel is the party that has ignored international law for the last 75 years. We're doing some weird history reversal here by saying that it's the Palestinians fault for not following it.

If israel had followed international law there would have never been retaliation from Gaza.

we should also punish Egypt for blocking the Palestinians.

We do not of course. As we personally supply Egypt with weapons and billions in loans to keep their corrupt government in power to help israel surpress the Palestinians and the rest of the Egyptian population. Sisi is an American puppet.

gian , vor 3 Monaten

See the funny part here is that israel is the party that has ignored international law for the last 75 years. We’re doing some weird history reversal here by saying that it’s the Palestinians fault for not following it.

I think that here both parts had always ignored international's laws, so maybe we must begin to think that to solve the problem we must held accountable both parts (and I am not discussing who is guilty).

If israel had followed international law there would have never been retaliation from Gaza.

Against someone who political program and reason to exist is to destroy you ? How ?

Linkerbaan OP , vor 3 Monaten

Against someone who political program and reason to exist is to destroy you ? How ?

Their reason to destroy israel is because it oppresses them. Palestinians have very clearly shown to be open to negotiations. These get shut down by israel because israel wants to expand their Lebensraum.

Case in point is the West Bank where peaceful Palestinians consistently get terrorized by israel. And Hamas is now starting to grow there.

This might come as a surprise but almost nobody is going to risk their lives fighting when they are not being oppressed.

gian , vor 2 Monaten

Their reason to destroy israel is because it oppresses them. Palestinians have very clearly shown to be open to negotiations. These get shut down by israel because israel wants to expand their Lebensraum.

So, about 20 years ago Israel left voluntarily the Gaza strip and give it to Palestinian, on the understanding that there will be peace, the Palestinian elect Hamas but somehow it is still Israel fault for being the oppressor.

This might come as a surprise but almost nobody is going to risk their lives fighting when they are not being oppressed.

The only problem is that Israel offered a peaceful way out, Hamas refused it. So now Palestinians have basically 2 choices: to be killed while being used as a human shields by their own people or help IDF to fight Hamas, with the risk of being killed but the possibility to build a better future for themself.

Linkerbaan OP , vor 2 Monaten

What do you mean "left Gaza"?

Last time I checked there is a giant concentration camp wall around Gaza and they cannot have their own airport. And israel is blockading their sea.

nivenkos , vor 3 Monaten

Hamas is still holding innocent Israelis hostage and sexually assaulting them.

If Morocco sent gangs over the Spanish border to rape and murder (even babies) and took hundreds of hostages, no-one would ask Spain to negotiate a ceasefire while the hostages are still suffering.

Hamas must be destroyed. It's disgusting that the EU and UN have been funding them directly.

Linkerbaan OP , vor 3 Monaten

Oh no more "beheaded raped babies in ovens from pregnant bellies".

It's a sad state of affairs that people are still repeating this complete propaganda.

MysticDaedra , vor 3 Monaten

The idea that Israel is committing genocide is ludicrous. If they wanted to they could turn Gaza into glass. Instead they have been performing precision strikes for months on end, and despite it being an extremely dense urban environment, they've only killed maybe 30k civilians. No other nation has gone to such great lengths to minimize civilian casualties in war than Israel has. But instead of getting commended, they get vilified and blood libeled. Sickening.

Linkerbaan OP , vor 3 Monaten

You mean israel waits until suspects are home with their family to kill them instead of bombing them on the battlefield. Trying to maximize civilian casualties.

And systematically starves all Palestinians using hunger as a weapon or war.

Genocide denial is already over. Currently the Hasbara narrative is that Israels very high civilians casualties are necessary.